I can’t understand people trusting Meta in any shape or form.
Further validating my decision to stay very far away from zuccVR
I mean it has a place in the market. Even though facebook sucks, they are the leaders/pushers of VR at the moment. No new person wants to spend 1000+ dollars on something they may end up hating especially with the rumors around the quest 3 lite. Like meta makes up about 60% of the market-share of those who take part in the steam hardware survey.
Their position in the market is a big part of a reason the market is dogshit.
They came in, bought everything, turned it into a fucking disaster, and are now poised to abandon it.
Sucks they bought up most things but those devs chose that option and I can’t fault them since lets be honest here, VR market is utter garbage, there is very little money in it. I don’t like meta, they fucking suck but the quest series has basically provided the option of the common person to actually try vr. Not many people want to spend close to 1k to 2k on a thing they will maybe fucking hate. I wouldn’t say they are the sole reason its dogshit but the reality is people need an entry point headset. The market wasn’t providing that and now that it does, people can finally get into VR even though it may lead to technical downgrades since the market is targeting those users.
Hell even though the PSVR 2 is a fantastic headset, most console gamers aren’t going to spend more money on a peripheral than they actually spend on the console they are playing it on. Hell I would love Sony to give the drivers to PSVR 2 to pc players since shit a bang for your buck for specs but that ain’t happening.
You nailed it. Exactly.
I don’t like Meta for a lot of reasons but without them VR would probably be fucking dead by now. Yes, Zucks Metaverse is absolute garbage but the stuff Reality Labs is doing thanks to Metas funding is absolutely amazing.
I gave up on VR for years after buying a Rift in 2017 because it was a janky, horrible to set up, tethered, nausea inducing mess that i paid what, 700 bucks for?
Recently got a used Quest 2 for 200 bucks and it’s fucking amazing. Completely wireless, hand tracking, much better clarity and i can stay in VR for hours without feeling sick.
I wish they would push high quality content a bit more like they used to instead of their shitty Horizon stuff but if it wasn’t for the millions of headsets they sold, no one would be able to develop shit right now for VR.
To say they ruined VR is absolutely delusional imo, sorry.
You got it for $200 because you’re paying with your privacy. It’s an absolute dumpster fire of a deal that’s not remotely worth it. They could pay you $100/hour to play it and requiring an account with them, in and of itself, makes it the worst possible theoretical version of VR.
Facebook is absolutely the reason VR is fucking terrible. Their involvement, in and of itself, completely destroyed the community, many of whom abandoned the space entirely when they took away viable options to replace with privacy invading crimes against humanity. Turning enthusiasts from advocates into activists against their product is the reason there’s no money left.
I’m not paying anything, my Quest runs completely offline. I use a separate router for streaming and the Quest is mac address blocked in my main router (just to be sure). ALVR is side loaded onto the Quest so i can play Steam VR games without the need for the Oculus app on my PC at all. It’s not that hard to do if you care about your privacy.
I’m not exactly sure which community they “completely destroyed” but your whole reasoning for that sounds extremely subjective to me. Facebook controls 90% of the VR market, followed by Pico with 4.5%, which is basically a Chinese reverse engineered Quest with ports of Quest games.
https://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS49422922
Without FB there is no VR market and there is no scenario where Oculus could have managed to sell a similar amount of headsets if Facebook hadn’t bought them.
That being said, i sincerely hope Facebook loses this race and I am pretty terrified of the future when it comes to VR.
Very weird way to try and put a positive spin on a monopoly
So does Pixmax, HTC, Valve, or Pico no longer exist? VR is facing issues with adoption. I’m sorry but to the VR snobs even though I love VR having people argue you can’t experience it unless you spend close to a grand on something that many people’s feelings towards it are take it or leave it is a bit too much for most consumers. Meta is problematic with buying up so many of the vr game makers but at the end of the day these companies chose to sell themselves and lets be honest here the VR market isn’t hot right now and prior it was fucking worse.
Yk a monopoly can stilll have competition and be a monopoly right?
And like by definition buying up all the competition is monopolistic, no matter if the companies wanna sell or not, they were influenced by the size of meta (and their financial backing), which gave them an unfair advantage against the competition. Entirely unrelated to hardware or software, both of which are dogshit in comparison - they were able to take a market share cause they can undercut all the competitors, exactly why their headsets are cheap.
Cmon man have like a single thought for yourself that ain’t propaganda
The irony of saying “Cmon man have like a single thought for yourself that ain’t propaganda” while just defaulting to “FaCeBoOk BaD” is peak. I already made mention of how facebook or whatever they are called is shit but you have to be braindead to see before meta entered the scene, VR was dead in the water. So yeah they tried to establish their little stupid metaverse thing and it thankfully failed. You aren’t even addressing my point of no consumer wants to pay 1000 fucking bucks on something they likely hate. Most consumers drop off hard on VR. So cheap headsets are a net good thing for VR, even though the cunts who make them are dick heads.
Game devs aren’t just going to be developing games if there is no fucking audience to play/buy them. So yeah many of those devs got bought out since Meta was the only one handing money out for VR related tech/games. It was a devil’s bargin as shown with Echo VR and many others but I can’t fault the devs since getting food on the table pretty fucking important than sticking with the values of some idiot VR snobs who think the only way VR should work is via pc connection on a pc that is valued in the 1k to 2k range on top of the previously mentioned VR headset that can set you back another 1k to 2k. Like I have the opportunity to have a pc in that range and I see how the quest 2 is very inferior to many other headsets but you have to be a fucking moron to invest thousands on something you will play with for a fucking week. So I’m thankful Meta (who is likely spying on its users) gave me an opportunity to try out VR at a “decent” price so now I know I’m into it and can invest further into the industry but nah. You stick with your idiotic groupthink of “MeTa BaD” when I will say I’m glad exist since people can take advantage of this deal and see if they want to further invest in the medium. I can’t wait for they to die out but I ain’t looking a gift horse in the mouth when they are ones who are the only pushers of VR right now. Apple doesn’t give a shit about gaming and while Sony pushes out a pretty damn good headset, they don’t let you use them on PC where most of the enthusiasts are. Console players don’t want to spend the price of the console they are playing on to possibly play a handful of games with little support afterwards.
I freaking hate that Zuk got Oculus. Made my first VR helmet freaking worthless. Forced a facebook account to play my games I already bought.
Just went ahead and shelled out for the Index after that, cause at least you know Gabe isn’t fucking around.
If Echo Arena wasn’t safe, then neither is anything else.
Meta is a cancer on society and nobody should touch anything it produces with a 10 foot pole.
Hell, I’m still mad this happened with Defender of Texel.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Hope you didn’t enjoy playing Dead and Buried, Dead and Buried II, or Bogo on your Rift or Quest headsets — because Meta’s shutting them all down with no explanation, just like it already did with Echo VR (aka Echo Arena).
“We are reaching out to let you know that Dead and Buried will no longer be supported as of Friday, March 15, 2024,” reads an email in my inbox.
UploadVR and Road to VR report that owners of Wild West shootout sequel Dead and Buried II and virtual pet simulator Bogo are receiving the same shutdown messages about their games, too, with the same March 15th end date.
I guess the company didn’t decide to change its strategy after Echo Arena, where Meta CTO Andrew Bosworth had to spin up his own explanation after the fact.
Bogo isn’t even a multiplayer game that requires online servers to operate.
Meta didn’t immediately respond to that question or our other requests for comment.
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