I have a lot of indirect experience/knowledge with caves. I don’t have to be one of the people who directly explored one to know one of the first things one learns about caves is how ill-suited for wandering around they are. Slopes can change on a dime, it’s incredibly rocky inside, and they fill with whatever falls from the sky. Imagine hiding in one of these, as someone with less intelligence than us, and not expecting to even stub a toe, let alone fall or suffocate. I assume it must be a concern because all the cave hobbyists I know (even if I only know a couple) say they have to split up based on their physical skills (so one chooses a slope-free while the other a rain-free one as would be the case for me as someone who never learned), though I admit I’d be amused if cavepeople didn’t ignore these slopey checkpoints and instead it caused them to make some inventions.

Another thing that sticks out to me is the rule against fire. When cave explorers (not me) venture in, the most important rule of all time they learn is that it’s an absolute cardinal sin to light so much as a match in a cave, let alone a torch (in contrast to Indiana Jones movies where that’s the first darn thing he does). The heat from fire is enough to interfere with the stone composition, which in turn threatens to collapse a cave. Imagine having just discovered fire, and you go running to show your family but everyone dies before you can say “hey Mario look what I made”. I wouldn’t expect a caveman to know about that rule, but I would expect them to feel tempted to find out the hard way.

Finally, there’s the fact they’re filled with disease. Most notably from the cave animals; while things like ticks and rabies are not common in cave animals, they do happen. If that wasn’t enough to outright stigmatize dwelling in a cave, even the environment itself is viral. There are caves where the reservoirs are like 100% condensed bacteria. That’s got to send awful mixed messages to seek refuge from an oasis and suddenly you have a fear of water like me.

How did caves become such a go-to and one where nobody is depicted as having any serious accidents in?

  • snota@sh.itjust.works
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    Because they didn’t actually live in caves that often.

    The image of these people living in caves arises from the fact that caves are where the preponderance of artifacts have been found from European Stone Age cultures. However, this most likely reflects the degree of preservation that caves provide over the millennia, rather than an indication of them being a typical form of shelter. Until the last glacial period, the great majority of humans did not live in caves, as nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes lived in a variety of temporary structures, such as tents[4] and wooden huts (e.g., at Ohalo). A few genuine cave dwellings did exist, however, such as at Mount Carmel in Israel.>

    Wikipedia - Caveman

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      That makes sense - never considered cave artifacts to be an example of survivorship bias before

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        We are finding evidence of pre-Homo Sapiens structures. Wooden structures typically rot. “Cavemen” is a misnomer from the evidence survivorship bias.

        Also notable is your claim they were less intelligent. Human intelligence hasn’t dramatically increased genetically or biologically. Human knowledge has dramatically increased since the invention of writing recently in our history. Creativity and problem solving are highly evolved in our species and we have contemporary evidence of huge ability to transmit knowledge through oral transmission and the influence of tribal tradition.

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        Look at Inuit and other cultures that live in the Arctic. Humans can live (relatively) comfortably in extreme conditions without keeping their environment at a constant 22C.

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    Not an expert, but it seems like you’re conflating issues of spelunking with cavemen living 5 meters from the entrance.

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      I’m not saying that doesn’t influence things, but wouldn’t it still be an issue? How would cavepeople stay warm five meters from the place they were trying to stay warm from, especially without fire?

  • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝@feddit.uk
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    Having been to a lot of Palaeolithic sites and studied cave formation and the like…

    They usually used just the cave mouths or even rock shelters. Caves “breath” and if they “breath” in then the environment in a cave mouth can be dry and sheltered from the rain. You’ll also find that the most frequently used caves are either higher up the side of a hill providing good views over the area to help hunt game and/or they’re close to a spring.

    They did venture deeper into caves but usually for ritual purposes and those that were decorated for these purposes seem to have been chosen for relative ease of access (you just need a torch and a good guide) but also because the journey itself to the ritual site was part of the ritual (we can only speculate but it may be part of a rebirth ritual and/or the effect would have been enhanced by drugs, music, etc).

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    It might be that you have a mistaken view of cave dwelling.

    Most such settlements only used relatively shallow rock-face caves, which eliminates the majority of your listed risks.

    Without reliable light sources, you’ll appreciate that people weren’t delving kilometers deep into the ground. Caves were simply a way to protect from the elements and to provide a choke point to better defend against wild creatures.

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    Another thing that sticks out to me is the rule against fire. (…) The heat from fire is enough to interfere with the stone composition, which in turn threatens to collapse a cave.

    Is that really the case? I thought it would more about filling the cave with smoke or wasting oxygen, not causing a cave to collapse. Perhaps I was imagining a different cave? Tom Hanks did keep fire in his cave in Cast Away.

    Anyway, very interesting subject. I always wanted to have a cave of my own, especially with an entry hidden behind a waterfall :D