• EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
    121·
    9 months ago

    I was originally a chip designer. Then I shifted into embedded development. Now I’m mainly a C# guy.

    But when I shifted into embedded development, I also shifted into doing power engineering. I grabbed a couple of books on the topic at hand, taught myself a lot, and designed the electronics to meet the need. We sold the product to city utilities.

    I remember one time I was in a room with probably 10 engineers from one of the utilities. After having described the product to them, and went through a lot of our settings and stuff, I was explaining the difference between two of algorithms we put in (because different utilities use different algorithms, and I just wanted one device that could do both). At some point I was like “which of the two algorithms do you use?” and one responded “well, which do you recommend?” So I talked about why I thought one was better than the other.

    They all started looking at each other and nodding and saying “Yeah, that’s the one were going to use.” I realize I could have said anything at that point and they would have agreed. They thought I was expert. And that was my “last two frames” of this comic moment.

    Now as a senior dev, I’ve seen enough shit to realize that most people have no idea what is going on, and are flying by the seat of their pants. So I figure my ignorance is a little less than theirs, and that gives me a lot of confidence, but I also realize that I can learn a lot from most people.

    • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
      37·
      9 months ago

      I’ve always felt like I don’t deserve my role, I climbed the proverbial ladder quick and I am very young for my position (Principal Engineer). But I sleep fine at night because at the end of the day I was always honest with my skills, my intentions and my motivations, and I’m always sure to get full agreement from everyone before doing stuff. If after all that nobody figured out I’m a fucking idiot just making an informed guess, that’s on them.

      I always fear the next company I join will have “real technical leaders” who will inevitably show me my place, but it hasn’t happened so far (3-4 massive companies in the last decade).

      Maybe one day I will meet this person, but it is not this day… And then I try to teach the same to younger engineers to work through problems as a team and just do it until somebody stops you, because in a lot of cases nobody has a clue either, and that’s what it means to lead.

    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world
      16·
      9 months ago

      Now as a senior dev, I’ve seen enough shit to realize that most people have no idea what is going on, and are flying by the seat of their pants.

      What’s helpful in my industry is that new development happens so frequently that the absolute best answer today is probably the wrong one in the next few years. Since I’m never on the absolute cutting edge, I have to trust my team to pitch the plan and we roll with it.

      What I think makes me a senior is me knowing that we don’t know anything, but being able to create a plan if/when we have to make changes.

    • Xanis@lemmy.world
      6·
      9 months ago

      When I was working stand-in positions such as after a move, for example retail, my favorite go-to when asked “Whyyyy?” was “I have no idea. No one told me anything.” I sometimes miss those days.

      You’re right though. Most people have enough knowledge to do the steps of the job or task. For many of them skipping a step shuts down that memory, if only temporarily. I’ve met only a handful of true experts. People who can do things forwards, backwards, upside-down, and mix things up on the fly. They are BY FAR the most uncommon.

  • li10@feddit.ukEnglish
    116·
    9 months ago

    I’m not in software development, but this is how the entire company I work for operates.

    We’re just kinda going forward with no clear direction, keeping stuff ticking over and constantly coming up with future plans that never come to fruition.

      • shneancy@lemmy.world
        171·
        9 months ago

        and we all look up to the people who look like they know what they’re doing (they don’t but they are very convincing at looking like they do)

      • parachaye@lemmy.world
        6·
        9 months ago

        There are people who are knowledgeable and good at their job. Knowledgeable enough to be experts. Those are usually subject matter experts, including developers.

        The issue is that no one can guarantee an outcome or that they’ve picked the right approach.

      • hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net
        72·
        9 months ago

        But this is really more a product of capitalism than anything else. Under capitalism you just have to keep moving even if you’re just making garbage and debt. There’s no reason to stop and think, because that is seen as a cost (even though it costs more to move without thinking).

        Even the best companies that do factor in planning (at least in concept if not actually in practice most of the time) end up with the other problem of “resume driven development” where things that are totally fine and actually working get replaced with things that don’t work because someone needs a new project to get their promotion.

        Capitalism produces garbage and puts the people who are least qualified in decision making roles. This still happens in natural systems, but much less. In (healthy) anticapitalist organizing, the people who know the most are generally asked to lead and when they don’t know what to do they stop and figure it out before moving forward.

        Aimless wondering can still be a problem, but it’s not forced by the system to continue it’s just people who are learning.

      • noobface@lemmy.world
        42·
        9 months ago

        There are answers, they just take a level of experience to reach that most people aren’t cut out for. You gotta be several principal+ IC roles or Dir+ mgr roles in before the patterns congeal into a plan.

        Challenge is operating at those levels for extended periods requires a super fucking insane level of competency and dedication. Most people hit that spot and coast till retirement cause you’re at $500k+ at FAANG. Few keep looking for new opportunities unless forced to or they’re those corporate robot sharks with the dead eyes.

    • 1984@lemmy.today
      33·
      9 months ago

      This is how all enterprise companies I worked for operates too. Only when I joined a smaller company with 80 people I realized that it can be really fun to work. We get a lot of stuff done and hardly any meetings. Really enjoying it.

  • max_adam@lemm.ee
    63·
    9 months ago

    That was me in the first few months after I had to replace the senior dev when he took a better job. I was only junior for like 5 months prior to this, I also lied about having 2 years of experience in the interview and the team misunderstood my quick learning with expertise. At the end they thought I was good enough for the position but I was freaking out because I was lacking a lot of experience, I still took it because the raise was huge. I couldn’t sleep well for months while I was trying my best to learn how to do my job.

    • Hasherm0n@lemmy.world
      63·
      9 months ago

      One of my favorite managers once told me while I was struggling with a severe case of imposter syndrome “if you’re faking it well enough that others can’t tell, you might not be faking it as much as you think.”

      • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
        17·
        9 months ago

        Yup, the good old imposter syndrome. The truth is no one really knows what they’re doing,

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          If you feel like you’re sprinting into the dark, you’re doing something right.

  • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
    28·
    9 months ago

    Embrace agile programming. Add what the customer wants and laugh at their poor decisions.

    • jaybone@lemmy.world
      5·
      9 months ago

      Yeah I’m shocked by some of the things I read in these types of thread. I’m not perfect, we all make mistakes, but I am definitely confident in that I know what I am doing.

    • Johanno@feddit.de
      4·
      9 months ago

      I mean you can do this in the first year.

      I however slipped much faster into the senior dev position than I liked. Basically after 2 years full time (and 5 years as a student on part time) I am now expert in a few things and the go to person for questions. For people who work longer in there than me.