• Crampon@lemmy.world
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    They even had to build a wall to keep the capitalist working class outside of east Berlin.

    That Pew data is outdated. They have new data from 2019. Why did you post outdated and bad data to strengthen you belief?

    The latest research literally says conditions are better now for most people. Unless you hate homosexuals and women. Every metric indicate high standards of life and rights.

    I hate capitalism as much as the next person. But posting like you did is how we got Trump. Just faking everything till it happens.

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      “Bad data” is when you use data more representative of people who have actually lived under socialism and experienced the massive decline in quality of life, social welfare, housing, etc after capitalist bastards took it over and privatized everything for their profit

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        Ye sure. No communist project has ever worked out because some people are by nature evil and hungry for power. Every communist regime has gone to shit because of it. Anyone hungry for power should be imprisoned because they are a danger to society. But most people rely on direction to function. It’s a double edged blade.

        Capitalism ruins everything in its path and communism eat it’s children. Welcome to the suck.

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          The “muh human nature” argument is a fallacy, you do realize that, yes? People are products of their environment, in Capitalism greed and selfishness are rewarded, so you think the way people act in Capitalism is natural for all economic systems, lmao.

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          I don’t think that’s the right reason, though it does touch upon one of the biggest reasons.

          Communist projects have failed in no small part because of external interference from non-communist countries. Look at the US and their infamous “bringing democracy” around the world, for example.

          But they’ve also failed not because of innate human nature, but because some people’s nature is indeed what you describe. And unfortunately, violent revolutions have a tendency to make it very easy for those people take step in and fill power vacuums left in the wake of the former regime’s demise. Even if the ideals of many of the boots on the ground in the revolution was entirely well-meaning, the leadership might not be, either from the start, or as the revolution goes on. That’s why so many of the more famous communist regimes are incredibly authoritarian.

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          Name me one communist regime and I’ll tell you why you’re a fucking idiot and don’t know the difference between communism and socialism.