Since the federation the comment sections got so inflammatory. Literally everything gets turned into some political “capitalism bad” or “the west bad” discussion. It made Lemmy very annoying for me to use…
I vote cut them loose
Yes. They literally have a huge community dedicated to disrupting other instances: https://hexbear.net/c/the_dunk_tank
Lemmygrad is nothing compared to the shear volume of brigading, spam and bad faith arguments coming from there.
(This reached the front page of Hexbear)
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Where tf did you get that from?
They frequently admit to it, just check the front page of the instance, or read the screenshoted post.
Just block the users that do this, and there will be a instance blocking feature soon too
Personally I chose this instance so I wouldn’t randomly get defederated from other instances and I would have to switch to another instance if this happened.
Why should I play wack-a-mole everytime I like to read comments? Just remove that cesspool all togheter. Do you really benefit from anything on hexbear? Go over there and find a community you would really miss, and then show me. Please.
Also this instance is already blocking things like exploding-heads and lemmygrad
Nop, I can read lemmygrad posts and comments.
I too would like to be in control whos comments I read and whos not to. So no, pleas do not defederate. If you want it managed for you, beewag would be the place.
You can join their instance
Guess what? It’s managed for you here. And everywhere. Every place defederates with some other place. The only way to have what you want is to run your own instance and never defederate.
How could I find out whit which places a instance defederated
At the bottom of the webpage for each instance is a link that says “Instances” If you click on that it shows all of the instances that are federated first. Then below that is the list of blocked instances. Easiest way to look is by doing “ctrl + f” and searching for “blocked” and that will normally get you to that list the fastest.
You can see this list whether you are a member or not of that instance. You just need to make sure you go to the actual instance and are not viewing it from your “home” instance account.
Well as a leftist yes I would miss some communities from them like the news and memes
If i cant access their gardening community from here i will literally kms. 😭
Comments like this around make me chuckle. Especially if you look and see the list of blocked instances already from a place where people try to claim they don’t want a place that defederates.
Pretty certain every single instance defederates with some other instance. So if you really don’t want to defederate, then you’d have to make your own instance and never defederate from any other place.
I checked earlier and this instance has not defederated from any other so what are you talking about lol
Scroll down on this page: https://discuss.tchncs.de/instances
the 70+ instances that are blocked just magically showed up after you “checked”?
i used the defed.xyz website because i read about it and that didnt show any defeds, now it does show the defederated servers in the “returned error” section.
Yeah, I kind of agree. Some of them are amusing though, even if they sometimes have trouble stringing coherent sentences together (probably why they are accused of being bots) and many have the same circular talking points and recurring memes (pretty sure they have a conversation flowchart to try and keep themselves on track, much like telemarketers).
Others seem like normal people / typical idealists.
I found the average lemmygrad commenter more engaged and coherent, though. So if that is the bar for this instance, then I suppose hexbear is below it.
Isn’t that how psyops work? Sound generally reasonable and introduce the occasional piece of misinformation, maybe about a war of aggression?
Propaganda, yes. I suspect that in this case many hexbears have been egging each other on for so long in relative isolation that they’ve developed their own back-patting (aka circle-jerk) culture with in-jokes and accepted-facts that don’t make sense to others… those participating in it are probably still quite immature. I just call them on it here and on my alts.
I think that is still worth being exposed to different opinions and having your own accepted-facts challenged, so long as it’s appropriately moderated / doesn’t get out of hand. It sounds like the hexbear admins are fairly active.
It’s not my call in the end, though.
Yes, if the other option is for you to play whack a mole, just defederate. People that follow that ideology can always go somewhere else, if they dislike you keeping this instance from being subjected to trolls and the like.
No.
This is how you kill the fediverse. I don’t think people enjoy hopping from instance to instance & eventually they’ll stop altogether.
Fair enough if it the content is illegal, but we shouldn’t defederate just because the content annoys you or you don’t agree with it.
What if it will annoy a big percentage of normal users?
E.g. would you enjoy having exploding-heads content in your feed?
instance hopping should be normal: i have 8 accounts simultaneously open in my Connect app. Also connect allows u to hide comments from filtered (blocked) insntance of ur choice, including hexbear.
But I generally like this instance.
its okay, as i stated earlier, u can always filter an instance, including its users and their comments, just by using ur main
Yes
Hexbear federates with other servers for the sole purpose of brigading, trolling, and arguing in bad faith to “dunk on the libs” (Anyone with even slightly different viewpoints than them). This admin (pictured) makes no attempt to stop this besides server meta posts. Which, if the defed threads on Blahaj and lemm.ee proved anything, it’s that none of the users care about that rule regardless. Another Hexbear user was quoted as saying “You can’t argue with libs, we have to dunk on them”.
Go ahead.
If there’s an instance where a large percentage of the users isn’t acting in good faith and the admin isn’t doing anything about it, why NOT defederate. People who want to read things from that instance can always make an account there or at an instance that still does federate with them.
No. There is little enough content on Lemmy, they at least provide some interesting conversations. I’m okay having content from people I maybe disagree with
Ah yes, the interesting conversations of blaming literally everything on capitalism, neoliberalism and/or “the west”… and then insulting you if you disagree. Also less content is better than a lot of mostly shit content…
I haven’t seen any insults. I’ve seen people who couldn’t handle the comments though. I dunno, I think people have just got used to their nice echo chambers and this is the reverberations of the doors opening up. People’s automatic response is “ban them!”
No it hurts everyone over some random shit no one cares about. Just dont do it. It just drives users off to the least restrictive instance.
The least restictive instance will be full of extremist bullshit and conspiracy theories… I doubt that the normal user will appreciate that. And I also doubt that they will miss some leftist troll instance.
I consider myself to be radical left-wing, but 95% of the content on hexbear is completely useless. It’s an echo-chamber for whiney bitch-ass tanky trolls, powerlessly memeing their lives away and not contributing anything even to their marginalized corner of political discourse.
That being said: I say don’t defederate. They might behave like idiots sometimes, but defederating weakens the network as a whole and the cost is disproportionate to the benefit in this case.
supposedly there’s a feature coming to Lemmy Soon™ that will allow us to block instances as a user. If hexbear hasn’t been defederated by then, I’m most definitely going to use it to block hexbear. I really do not want that toxicity showing up anywhere
@milan any update or opinion on this?
