Sorry if I’m the millionth to ask this, but what are some good trustworthy email providers? Even if paid. But if I’m paying it’d best if it’s privacy focused. Thanks!
I like Posteo. Affordable (1€/month) and with focus on privacy and FOSS.
Second posteo. It’s simple and supports imap, caldav, carddav.
In addition to the above, they also use green energy, if you care about that sort of thing.
Mailbox.org and Posteo are good as well, in addition to Proton and Tuta.
Proton! They’re based in Switzerland (I believe), which is known for its privacy laws. Proton Docs is absolute shit, but it’s their newest product, so I imagine it’ll get better eventually. Their email, storage, and VPN services are fantastic and have both free and paid options.
Edit: I’m not American, just incredibly dumb…
Switzerland is not a Nordic country
And very small precision, their newest product is Wallet (for cryptos 😭)
The rest is true. Go Proton
I don’t believe Switzerland is a Nordic country, but +1 for Proton here. A lot of their newer products like Drive need a good amount of work, but Mail and VPN are working great for me.
It is as far as Americans are concerned. It’s over where they sound like the swedish chef
as far as i am aware protonmail is pretty popular. I am hosting my own mail infrastructure but am considering to switch in the long run
I’m hearing about proton but they feel very scummy. Is proton(vpn and mail) actually privacy centered, doesn’t log and doesn’t sell data?
While I tought about self hosting an email, but doesn’t that come with lots of problems, like you can’t garantee five nines of uptime, or someone emails you cp, or websites not accepting custom domains? I also heard it’s easly hackable.
Proton were forced by swiss court order to log the IP address of a climate activist, which led to his arrest, but as far as we know they never actually breached his encrypted emails.
Tuta had a similar incident, but due to being based in Germany, had to go farther, and allowed access to any emails that weren’t encrypted for the court ordered individual.
That only matters if you believe you will be a person of interest for your government, and the lesson is that no email service is perfectly safe for things that require that level of protection.
For most of us, any of the private emails will be fine, and are certainly better than Google.
Yeah, I’m not “that guy”. I’d just like to get my money’s worth. Thanks for the highlights.
Yeah, they were able (and thus legally required) to hand over the user’s recovery email address, which is what got them caught. You don’t need to enter a recovery email address, and you can of course choose to use an equally-secure service for recovery.
One big technical issue to note is that Proton doesn’t use end-to-end encryption for email headers, which includes recipients and subject lines, among other things. So that’s potentially exposed to law enforcement as well. I believe Tuta does encrypt headers.
May I ask what triggers thr scummy feeling for you?
It looks way to much like big corp. And money corrupts. Why do I get a calendar, a vaul, a vpn, and a mail service for free. I know it’s limited services, but for free? I feel like I must be the product.
I get when it’s a non-profit, or living off donations, but Proton is either of those
To be fair, the Proton Foundation is a non-profit and is the majority shareholder of Proton.
The foundation is the largest shareholder, but Proton has not specified whether it controls a majority.
money corrupts
This is exactly the reason that Proton became a non-profit:
https://proton.me/blog/proton-non-profit-foundation
Swiss foundations and their board of trustees are legally obligated to act in accordance with the purpose for which they were established, which, in this case, is to defend Proton’s original mission. As the largest voting shareholder of Proton, no change of control can occur without the consent of the foundation, allowing it to block hostile takeovers of Proton, thereby ensuring permanent adherence to the mission.
Proton is still a for-profit company. However, there is now the non-profit Proton Foundation that is the largest shareholder of the Proton company (not necessarily majority shareholder).
Plus, non-profits are not guaranteed to be positive. See OpenAI for example.
Edit: Grammar
