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I use Alpine. It’s enough for what I need and it doesn’t take up 30G like my last Ubuntu subsystem.
Ubuntu in WSL comes with systemd enabled. Debian doesn’t, and you have to enable it yourself.
That’s why I chose to have people use Ubuntu in WSL, despite the other downsides. One less step to setup a Linux environment on Windows makes the process smoother.
That’s a fair enough reason. I personally never noticed because the “this isn’t running” message is pretty clear to me. But I can see how that’s a potential blocker for newer Linux users.
if you encounter problems just search online or ask AI, it’s fairly simple
Good luck with that. All the answers are going to assume WSL is using Ubuntu.
Why do Linux advocates try so desperately to overcomplicate things?
Can’t you you just be satisfied a Windows using is experimenting with Linux. Why does it have to be your ideological strain of Linux they use.
All the answers are going to assume WSL is using Ubuntu.
Every recipe that I have ever encountered for Ubuntu worked on Debian, except the recipes involving Snaps, which were inevitably much simpler on Debian. And I haven’t seen anything useful under WSL (cli tools) packaged better as a snap anyway.
Why do Linux advocates try so desperately to overcomplicate things?
Computers are complicated. Linux advocates just aren’t being paid to lie about it.
In this case, this is a simple 7 character (edit: plus a (optional) one line command to enable systemd) change that can save a newbie a lot of trouble, and comes with
no downside.the downside that systemd isn’t enabled by default. (Edit: a good point made below.)There’s very few cases where Debian and Ubuntu are different at on the command line (which WSL is). In those very few cases, anyone using WSL is going to have a much better time on Debian, because they’re more likely to find a working recipe.
The exact reasons for this are nuanced, but come down - folks liked me publishing recipes don’t target Ubuntu anymore, because I wasn’t (as a package maintainer) invited to the Snap party. Which is fine. Flatpak does the same job, in an open way.
So for the 98% of recipes that predate Snap, there’s no difference to be had as a user. For the cutting edge 2% of new stuff, newbies are increasingly better off on Debian.
(Edit: In case anyone was wondering, I really, personally, don’t like Ubuntu, because it has Snaps. I’m aware that makes me a meme.
Snaps are bad for the community, and bad for the user.
Some of us understand why, and do our best to mention it politely, every so often, to save our peers a headache or two.
That said, folks who need hand-held through the specifics of why Snap sucks would do better asking elsewhere. I am famously old and irritable.)
I’m pretty sure a year ago there was a set of users claiming systemd was the worst thing to happen to Linux since snap.
So why are you advising to change the default install of Debian to include it?
Every recipe that works for Ubuntu works for Debian,
May as well just install Ubuntu then.
For the cutting edge 2% of new stuff, newbies are increasingly better off on Debian.
Citation needed. Pretty sure this is either personal opinion or anti-canonical, anti-snap ideology.
Targeting WSL users with this rhetoric is ridiculous. If you want to tailor your own systems outside the norm then sure go ahead but claiming things will be easier for a newbie by running specific commands they don’t have the context or expertise to comprehend is absurd.
So why are you advising to change the default install of Debian to include it?
I didn’t advice any such thing. My edit is just to acknowledge someone else who makes it part of their process.
Citation needed.
I shared my personal experience and you turned it into a distro war. Go look up your own damn sources.
Pretty sure this is either personal opinion or anti-canonical, anti-snap ideology.
Fuck yes. It’s both! Snap is a slap in the face to the contributors who brought Canonical this far. I appreciate their partnership so far, and now, speaking as a package maintainer, Canonical can fuck right off.
Targeting WSL users with this rhetoric is ridiculous.
Helping people make an informed decision about their tool chain is rhetoric? Give me a fucking break.
I don’t like Ubuntu. That’s not a secret. Ubuntu is a fine option for total newbies. People using WSL tend not to be total newbies and may well run into real issues (such as the ones that prompted me to switch), thanks to snap.
“if you’re a Linux expert, this article isn’t for you. You’re probably already using Debian if you use WSL”
As a Linux expert - yep! My distro choice under WSL is Debian, for the same reasons shared in the article.
What reasons? They gave reasons? They just said that windows fixes the flaws Debian has which is quite the “compliment”.
I mean, I didn’t read terribly closely, because I already made my choice.
My reason is that the benefits of Ubuntu over Debian are most noticeable in the GUI, which WSL doesn’t contain.
In contrast, I find the benefits of Debian over Ubuntu to be most noticeable on the command line, which is all we get in WSL anyway.
To me this is some solid advice that I already knew.
I think there’s also a fair assumption by the author that anyone running WSL isn’t a total Linux newbie. I personally, think of WSL as an intermediate skill level way to run Linux, because WSL is still - frankly - a huge pain in the ass, when contrasted with trying out a bootable USB drive, and then only gives the command line, which is also a very limited way to experience Linux. (I think it will get better, but today WSL is not a way that I recommend to newbies to try out Linux.)
The main use of wsl is often for things like docker, not as a “Linux desktop”. Microsoft has been getting killed by Linux in server environments. This lets developers stay on windows and build containers.
Hurr durr Canonical bad