They will also delete any comments that complain about AI at all, even though there is no rule against it.
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After second look, that’s not entirely true, but they definitely have a trigger finger for it and leave plenty of other “off-topic” comments.
Considering the amount of posts deleted, it should have just been locked instead of nuking comments with a negative view of AI
Here’s the thread in the screenshot:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43426671/18476015
Also, here you can see other’s seem to think this was an attempt to silence dissent (though, I don’t think that this coming from drag is a great point for it):
https://lemmy.ca/post/43313594
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Just look at this completely insane comment from an instance admin:
Locking this thread. I think it’d be good to add some civility-related rules to the sidebar. As folks know, this community has a lot of mods, and I don’t want to make too many of such decisions unilaterally, so to any of the other /c/fuck_ai mods who want to be involved in that discussion, please DM me. Worst case, we’ll set up a place to talk through the specific language. But if I don’t hear anything, I’ll probably just add something to the sidebar.
In the meantime, quit it with the direct attacks on other users. If you can’t make your point civilly, make it elsewhere.
I’d also like to thank db0 for dropping in to speak for the dbzer0 instance.
Well that’s disappointing
Do you happen to have any evidence at all that they “delete any comments that complain about AI”? Because it seems unlikely, given that the only thing you came up with to support that statement is a comment expressing opinions about AI with which you presumably disagree.
I’ve blocked the instance at this point, but that comment thread was on yepowertrippinbastards in response to a thread that got practically nuked.
Here’s the thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/43418415
Although the removed comments are not showing up in the moderation log, I see that your tireless devotion to the topic over the past 24 hours has provided us with at least one screencap of what seems to be one of the deleted comments. It was pretty low-quality, mildly insulting, and not worth thinking about for more than the 5 seconds its author did. Anyway good luck with your crusade.
Since I don’t think it would be right to assume you’re just stupid, the only explanation for mischaracterizing me is that it’s intentional in order to demean me and make it seem like you have some sort of valid reason for it.
You’re making some big assumptions on the intentions behind my actions. Apparently, to you, if you respond when you get a notification because people reply to your comments, that means a “tireless devotion”. I came across a post calling out the moderation actions of a thread I was a part of and commented on that, then shortly after I realized any meaningful discussion was never going to happen and I blocked the instance, I then come across a post on “fuck_AI” and thought I had a very relevant experience to post here. And now I am on a “crusade”.
Well, it’s a good thing you only have intentions of being an asshole, because the alternative would require being pretty damn stupid.
Ugh, that’s disappointing. The screendumped list of arguments that “leftists are per definition pro-AI” is reductive and cherrypicked. I guess they can get into the sea with the rest of the “AI” bros.
To be perfectly clear, I don’t think the copyright system is anywhere near perfect, especially not the way it has been expanded to benefit corporations rather than actual creators. But it is really the only available legal protection against the gross ethical infringement on human artistry that the “AI” corpos have committed to tran their models.
I’m as black and red as they come — as well as an artist and arts teacher — and that litany of BS arguments does not represent me in the least. I would and have made art without certainty of compensation. That doesn’t make my art or anyone else’s up for grabs to create piss poor replacements for our skill and craft.
“GenAI” is not a threat to human creativity in itself— it only reproduces lowest common denominator results from the material it’s trained upon. But the fact that indiscriminate morons actually think those statistically miscalculated songs, texts or images are as good as what people make? That’s the real existential crisis.
I completely share your sentiments. Especially about copyright. It’s a really shitty and fucked up system, but it’s the only tool available for people to use for protection.
For AI, it’s important to repudiate all of the bad uses of AI so that we can distill out any possible good uses for it.
As an Anarcho-Syndicalist (basically as far left as you can possibly get), multiple things can be simultaneously true:
- Private property is theft as is copyright
- Art should be publically funded
- Capitalism is fundamentally evil
- AI is theft
- Tech bros are bootlickers
AI is a fundamentally reactionary tool, it does not serve the worker and does little more than serve the capitalist. It feeds off of real work that real workers do so that capitalists can claim that they can do work like real workers. However they cannot, only a true worker can make art and music. Art and music comes from what fundamentally makes us human, thats why AI and Capitalists cannot make art.
DOWN TO REACTION, DOWN TO THE DECEIVERS, DOWN TO THE TYRANTS
I think a key point here is that none of the admins or mods of dbz0 have claimed its real art, or that something else is lesser art, as far as I can see. I may be completely wrong, and I’ll amend that claim if so.
However they cannot, only a true worker can make art and music. Art and music comes from what fundamentally makes us human, thats why AI and Capitalists cannot make art.
Indeed. My favorite musicians are in fact human. Art is not made for money, art is made to express something, something intangible. I think the moment people get into a “who would pay for this” instantly lose the argument, as art should not be profit focused.
I don’t sing in the shower because I think it’ll be a smash hit on TikTok or whatever, I do it because its fun to sing in the shower.
Hey I would appreciate it if you didn’t use all caps like trump, makes me want to not be associated with you even as a sympathetic left-liberal.
ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME
Man wants to be in all caps, let him be in all caps. You do you and then appreciate that other people are different and still good people.
The db0 instance has been the #1 disappointment for me on Lemmy.
If you count yourself as a leftist and advocate of electronic freedoms… but you find yourself on the opposing side against Robert Evans, Molly White, and Cory Doctorow, you might wanna reconsider whether you’ve been scammed into a libertarian tech bro version of Freedom™.
Tech bro is a snappy phrase, so it consumes more than it should. What snappy phrase encompasses Cory Doctorow? I want that label.
Nonsense. If people used genai the way we suggest in dbzer0, AI techbros would be in ruins. We’re also generally in the same camp as those people you mention (even though they’re still libs) but we still have disagreements since, well, we’re not libs and don’t think there’s any merit to things like copyrights.
Getting reports over content in different instances. -_-
If someone comes here pushing AI slop then yeah I’m not opposed to whipping out the banhammer, but I don’t really care what folks are posting elsewhere, and I’d rather not see Fuck AI become focused on drama in other communities.
Up or downvote as you see fit, but please don’t use the report button as an ‘extra big-ass downvote!’
Up or downvote as you see fit, but please don’t use the report button as an ‘extra big-ass downvote!’
What am I supposed to do when somebody says something I don’t like online?!
That shit needs to be taken down ASAP, chop chop, champ!
When an instance admin is pushing an “AI or else” attitude, I consider that relevant. Though, it does have a significant drama element to it. If that’s still not acceptable in spite of apparent relevance, just let me know and I’ll excuse myself.
I don’t have an issue with the topic you posted in-and-of-iteself. It’s not like we have clear-cut rules here beyond the name of the community, to which absolutely it’s relevant.
What bugs me is how heated people are getting over an incident that’s not even in this community. I’m not going to take mod action here over posts in another community, and it seems silly/petty that the conversation about it here is generating so many user reports.
And I mean, look at my own post history - I get heated about shit too. I get it. We -self included- need to just take a fuckin’ chill pill sometimes.
Haha weird robo-loving freaks
That’s too bad. I joined because of piracy. But they are a bit rigid in their ideologies as one would expect from a niche tech community but this is too much. Where should I go next?
You’re pro-copyright in matters of AI but anti-copyright in matters of piracy? Weird.
EDIT: If you’re pro-copyright then you shouldn’t be pirating media, you’re stealing from the hard working and poor creatives at Disney and Universal Studios! That’s evil and bad to copy a 1s and 0s! If you’re anti-copyright, why do you care about what people do in their spare time?
You’re pro-copyright in matters of AI but anti-copyright in matters of piracy?
Sure, yeah. All seems above board.
this pretty much solidifies my belief that the dbzero0 instance is a grassroots left wing qanon Russian troll farm that’s desperately attempting to divide us further.
been blocking any dbzero user as they make themselves obvious.
Nah, most of 'em are okay on any topic that’s not directly related to genAI. It’s just that their takes on this one issue are completely abysmal.
“We’re consistent in being anti-copyright, from all companies and corprations.”
“Wow, psyop much? Weirdos, having moral consistency.”
I hear OpenAI is pretty anti-copyright as well. Weird how you agree on that.
That’s a pretty narrow view. I joined db0 for piracy discussion. Not everyone subscribes to all aspects of the instance next to their username.
like I said, as long as they “make themselves obvious”.
you seem like a level headed user, however there have been some folks from your instance that tend to instigate. those are the ones I block.
AI doesn’t work without the availability of highly scalable compute, such as AWS or Azure. “Means of production” is a questionable concept when applied to digital things, since there isn’t scarcity, and “goods” can be infinitely copied once produced. If anything, encouraging usage of AI in its current form increases our dependence on large corporations and the infrastructure that only they can build and subsidize.
I thought that point was rather questionably argued.
You can run that shit locally if you want to shell out hundreds or thousands of dollars for a high end GPU, but I agree with your overall point.
Point 7 is telling.
;tldr they ban anti-AI because they’re in the AI game.
Yep, lmao. It was well written and made some points, then the advertisement came and all credibility disappeared.
It was well written and made some points
Gonna have to disagree with you on both parts of that.
I didn’t say they were good or bad points, just points. Compared to other arguments I’ve seen, it was written better than most. Could have been AI generated, though.
That implies they profit from it. I doubt that’s the case.
Yeah the horde isnt a paid thing
Yeah its annoying, youd think piracy ppl would be anti ai generation since we grew up pirating adobe, autodesk, etc. programs, or at least I thoight that was common among pirates, I started with flash
new gen pirates just go for movies, tvshows, and games
Well thats because we have Foss alternatives that are better than the adobe suite crap
They are anti copyright and anti corporations. With that in mind, saying it’s stealing is silly to them since they mostly don’t consider pirating stealing and pirating isn’t hyper transformative like AI is.
There is also the fact that 99% of the data is owned by corporations (Getty, Instagram, Reddit, publishing houses, record companies, etc). The anti-AI movement will never actually stop AI, but they might stop open source AI which only benefits the corporations.
he anti-AI movement will never actually stop AI, but they might stop open source AI which only benefits the corporations.
Yep, it will get community “AI” stuff banned, but companies will keep going beacuse OpenAI and ChatGPT funded the legislators that banned competition.
So checks notes people who are against capitalist corporate Generative AI LLM’s because they’re just thieving all and sundry and ignoring any laws that might stop them are checks notes pro-capitalism Alt-Right supporters who… Checks notes a third time support Trump and all the capitalist companies bolstering his presidency in order to prevent regulations of Generative AI LLM’s.
Did I get that right?
Did I get that right?
No.
