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  • Awesome! Given this was a post about MAGA, I assumed you were from the US

    That’s understandable. Personally, I don’t comment on posts without reading them, but I understand the attitudes towards literacy are a bit different in the States. If you had, you’d have probably noticed the “as a non-American”, bit, wouldn’t you?

    Read on to the end please

    That’s a bit ironic, innit?

    That’s a nice piece there

    Oh as if you even browsed it, let alone read it.

    Can’t logic people out of beliefs that have a significant emotional component.

    Not what the point of the article, which again, you’d have known had you read it.

    No single person is going to argue down enough Trump voters to impact US election results

    Well, we’ll ignore the fact that the US doesn’t have direct presidential elections and pretend as if the popular vote was a de-facto direct vote. If it was, then even by affecting one voter, you could be affecting the outcome of the election. To say there’s literally no impact is disingenuous, because politics is all about, well, politics. To say that “what are you gonna achieve by talking about it”, in the context of politicians, is… rather silly.

    Apathy is the greatest tool of the oppressor, and they’ve certainly gotten you. You should definitely have a look at this. https://medium.com/@annalloydc/how-fascism-and-apathy-are-linked-017c8a7b1e3d (And I use have “a look”/“gander at”, because I knew you wouldn’t be bothered to spend a few minutes reading them, but hoped I’d be wrong.)

    Apathy can result in a lack of political engagement and interest, creating fertile ground for the rise of fascism. Corrupt people in political office love it when young people don’t vote, and become apathetic, because it increases their chances of winning.

    “You can’t argue the opposition anyway since they’re idiots, so why bother”

    Well, because while most idiots will stay idiots, not all do. Yes it’s a vanishingly small percentage you’ll experience doing it mid-debate, but to think that having discourse has no effect even if some MAGAts stayed magats despite the discourse, then you’re being apathetic, which is putting the US (and the world) at more risk of fascism. So… please stop.

    It is from small streams that big rivers rise.


  • You got it man.

    Admitting that their whole identities were built around bullshit is just too much.

    I genuinely believe that for people like that, MDMA (or other serotonergic substance) assisted therapy would help people like that a great deal. These are the “powertools” of psychology currently, and I genuinely think they’re necessary for people like that.

    Sometimes — albeit rarely — you see ex-maga people or ex-some other right wing lunatic people who have genuinely come to their senses, but they are exceedingly rare.


  • If it’s your boss, stop fucking talking politics at work.

    I live in a country where I people can’t be fired over “talking politics” at work. A boss isn’t too much in a position of power, depending on the job. This is because here in Finland, we have regulation.

    I’m an adult. Why would my family be in a “position of power” over me?

    “It is not your job to correct people’s misguided beliefs”

    So if a cop broke your rights because they got mad at you for making them have a tantrum and use an excuse to arrest you, you’d allow them and apologize and not do anything about it, since “it’s not your job” to correct the cops misguided belief that they were in the right to arrest you over simply having offended them?

    If you’re in politics, and you’re in a session and the speaker has a tantrum, what do you do?

    If you’re an American a few years ago, your president was Donald Trump, a drooling, diaper-wearing senior who can’t parse sentences together and refuses to believe in well established facts. That’s a deluded, misguided, and willfully ignorant man as the president, which I would consider a position of power (over the people in his nation, not me, as again, not American.)

    You wouldn’t think it’s perhaps in the interest of greater society to not have people like that in positions of power?

    People don’t work like some sort of fucking debate club

    Oh gee whiz, kind internet-stranger, thanks for the words of wisdom, I never would’ve thought that otherwise.

    Or perhaps I’m making conversation here about this subject you think you know so well.

    Have a gander: https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/one-crucial-word/

    “The higher, pretentious form of stupidity stands only too often in crass opposition to [its] honorable form. It is not so much lack of intelligence as failure of intelligence, for the reason that it presumes to accomplishments to which it has no right … The stupidity this addresses is no mental illness, yet it is most lethal; a dangerous disease of the mind that endangers life itself. … [S]ince the ‘higher stupidity’ consists not in an inability to understand but in a refusal to understand, any healing or reversal of it will not occur through rational argumentation, through a greater accumulation of data and knowledge, or through experiencing new and different feelings … We may say that the reversal of a spiritual sickness must entail a spiritual cure.”





  • Oh no, I’m not giving them credit, I know they aren’t up for actual logic. I’m just trying to strike up conversation on Lemmy with random brainfarts.

    It’s just funny when you start talking to some of these people, and they’re used to arguing domestic opposition, blaming other Americans. So when someone non-American starts talking to them, their nationalism flares up and suddenly all the things that were shit due to the dems is not shit but glorious great, flawless America. I know it’s overused as an expression, but dem fucking mental gymnastics are baffling.




  • Sort of. I’m trying to make sense of the mentality needed to believe in shit like that. Or to pretend to believe it.

    It’s genuinely baffling.

    https://howtobeastoic.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/one-crucial-word/

    “The higher, pretentious form of stupidity stands only too often in crass opposition to [its] honorable form. It is not so much lack of intelligence as failure of intelligence, for the reason that it presumes to accomplishments to which it has no right … The stupidity this addresses is no mental illness, yet it is most lethal; a dangerous disease of the mind that endangers life itself. … [S]ince the ‘higher stupidity’ consists not in an inability to understand but in a refusal to understand, any healing or reversal of it will not occur through rational argumentation, through a greater accumulation of data and knowledge, or through experiencing new and different feelings … We may say that the reversal of a spiritual sickness must entail a spiritual cure.”