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The idea of a console where the manufacturer doesn’t have total control over the OS is ludicrous, no way a Windows box is ever going to “kill” the deck
Yeah, Sony lost me when they broke my Linux install and degraded the DVD playback functions, within six months of me buying my PS2. Similarly, the last “good” smartphone I had, was the Palm Treo (650p\680p\Centro); since then, I’ve never had a single phone that granted direct hardware access & allowed unloading/sideloading the OS by default.
Manufacturers want deep control these days; way beyond mere root permissions.
Also funny how they keep adding shit no one needs that just makes battery life worse
Yes let me drop $700 on a handheld so I can play it plugged in on the couch
Remember Game Gear? Pepperidge farm remembers
The battery drainer? That thing was epi…
Sorry, ran out of batteries.
I knew people with NiMh batteries for their RC cars\planes\boats, but the first time I ever saw NiMh AAs, was in a GameGear.
Adding what exactly?
I think the rog ally had Microsoft word (maybe even just office) come with it.
Cool, so now it’s a “work laptop” and I can justify expensing it !!
Only reason why they’d put Word on it IMO
Oh yeah not very usefull there. But at least it can be uninstalled I guess…
Some people want that. I’ve never played my switch as a handheld. Not once.
Me neither. Maybe because I don’t own a switch, donno.
I’ve played mine on the TV like a half dozen times maybe. I mostly play it while I watch TV… why yes I do have rather severe ADHD.
Fucking hell the “Steam Deck killers” is a stupid trend.
They really do hit you with all the specs that are supposed to put the deck to shame, but the reveal their ludicrous price, completely ignoring the major advance the things has.
That’s a simple trick, but cheap and dirty, so it’s pretty garbo anyway. No respect for handhelds themselves or anyone reviewing them or taking any sponsorship that do anything like that.
Imho, the Steam Deck will be the only one with a really long product lifetime. Simply because Valve’s main business is selling games, not consoles. The Deck makes people buy more/different games. Worked on me. I haven’t played much in the last decade because I was too tired to play at my PC after work. Now I can play everywhere. Couch, bed, car, … Basically every other manufacturer makes money exactly once by selling such a console. As soon as their marketing is done with it, they’ll release a new revision and you won’t see a single software update for the old model ever again.
Yup, there are a number of features for Valve to do this right:
supporting linux frees them of the eternal windows shackles that pc-gaming has become, diversifies steam as a multi-platform service (not just pc gaming juggernaut) without encroaching on anyone else’s terrain, and gets their user’s enormous libraries out into the world, potentially enabling new kinds of games in the future.
Well, but the same is true for brands selling desktops or laptops with windows, where they only make money once on the hardware (and maybe some additional money by installing subscription crapware like mc afee etc.).
That’s true. And that’s the reason why you’ll get one or two firmware/driver updates and that’s it. These companies have work to do on the other hand. A laptos or desktop is a widespread product. Valve had to go a long way to make the Deck happen.
Totally agree.
Not only they can’t sell the device at a loss, but also they have to use Windows for driver compatibility.
What’s holding back the Steam Deck, and the whole gaming on the go, it’s x86. For the rest, it’s x86 plus Windows plus drivers.
The one to win will be who makes a tightly coupled device that’s also efficient. Apple is good at that, but has nowhere near the catalogue than Steam and lacks a Steamworks SDK.
Intel meteor lake looks very appealing for next Gen consoles
I’ve heard that story a lot of times. Also, next gen consoles are going AMD unless Intel bows really down, which I haven’t seen in my lifetime.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen consoles use Intel in history.
Wasn’t the OG Xbox an Intel machine running some stripped down Windows install?
Yes it used a Pentium III clocked at 733Mhz iirc.
Wouldn’t it be rather simple to install Linux on them though?
You could, but what makes Steam Deck special is that it’s SteamOS is built specifically for that hardware, enabling functions you wouldn’t normally see in gaming PC hardware.
Where are the true killers with arm based chips? And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing? Can we run x86 games on arm Linux?
And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing?
What? You mean how is the linux version of mac version of qemu? Alive and kicking! Same for box86 and box64. Binary tralsators existed before Apple started making x86 computers.
Sorry, i was very late with this whole arm hype 😅 never knew that rasp pi was arm prior Apple silicone 🫣 But Indeed, it is very nice seeing that fast progress there and I hope linux arm goes mainstream and thus get even more supported by app developers and investors.
Don’t Apple’s chips have specific hardware support to make Rosetta 2 as effective as it is? I’ve been really hoping other manufacturers find a way to do something similar.
I don’t know about hardware support, but I found this article on box86.org which seems to be the best alternative to rosetta on Linux. The performance drop on box64 vs native is still much greater than the performance drop in rosetta:
https://box86.org/2022/03/box86-box64-vs-qemu-vs-fex-vs-rosetta2/
Edit: many infos about Rosetta under the hood: https://github.com/FFRI/ProjectChampollion
I found nothing, that implies that there would be specific hardware features in m1 for making the translation faster. Only that it does translation mainly ahead-of-time (AOT) and saves “that version” of the app somewhere as cache). I only scrolled through it and did not read it all, so maybe I missed it.
That’s because normal Linux won’t be as optimised but unlike Valve they don’t want to put actual work into optimising it.
Less “not optimized”, & more “not supported”; IE, accelerations that don’t turn on, because companies like Intel, Broadcom, Samsung, & NVidia, have a long history of only giving preferred partner devteams, prerelease hardware access, much less any peeks at unobfuscated firmware.
Not so bad if you can just install another OS to 'em like they were just little mobile computers.
if I don’t own any steam games, are any of these other options better than the steam deck? or is steam deck still the way to go for non steam games?
They have better performance, so if you play plugged in or play a game that’s not great in Proton you might benefit.
For unplugged, nobody has yet beat the 5W performance of the Steam Deck
I mean it doesn’t have a disc drive and the base OS is Linux, so if the game you want to play doesn’t work on Linux it won’t work on the Linux version of Steam Deck, if that is what you’re asking. If you know how to make isos and move them over if the game requires, you can install windows on the steam deck and basically run anything that the steam deck can handle hardware wise whether its on steam or not. Ive seen people who installed windows on it or also kept the original Linux Steam OS play many non-steam games. Some of these other devices were built with Windows though from the ground up though if you don’t want to reinstall anything or deal with drivers, I personally plan on getting a Steam Deck here in a few months next Christmas then replacing Linux with Windows so i know for sure my software will work as sacrilegious as it is.
it doesn’t have a disc drive
False. Only the least expensive model has eMMC for the built-in storage. The other models have replaceable (upgradable) NVMe SSDs.
Lol, wooosh. A disc drive is an optical drive like a Blu-ray, DVD, or cd drive. Go ahead,show me the built in disc drive on a steam deck and not a USB connected one.
Maybe this is an age thing? Not a lot of hardware comes with an optical drive anymore.
I haven’t bought a game on optical media since 2003, that being Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Likewise… I haven’t bought a game on optical media since the Wii.
Hm… I’ve never bought PC software on a disc…!?
And yet I have all these old Windows & Office & game discs… Man, hoarding tech is a weird habit.
Wait, do you guys still use optical disc drives on pc? What year is it? 2000?
100%, my personal PC has one, and my HTPC does too.
If you don’t mind me asking, what do you use it for?
Also, HDD are hard disc drives, so technically hard drives can be disc drives too, that’s why the replier misunderstood you.
Yes HDD are disc based tech, yet I’ve never heard them refered to as just a disc drive without the hard despite having a platter disc in them. While not being the end all be all, wikipedia has disk or disc drives listed as referring to purely optical media.
And I use them to access a plethora of media from old back ups/family pictures, DVDs/Blu-ray, backing up said DVD/Blu-ray to Plex if I like them that much I want them digitally, old games(my oldest still useable disc is my 1998 minted “GOTY” Diablo 1.) Also just never hurts to have the ability to burn a CD or DVD either, though mainly still get the use out of CD burning for cars without an aux.
Oh, I obviously interpreted that as meaning a hard disk drive (which SSDs are still commonly referred to as HDDs) since we were discussing modern PCs. Many years ago external physical file transfer mostly transitied away from using actual spinning disks to USB storage, and even that has been mostly supplanted by network connected storage for several years.
Man, I hear “disc drive” & I think “hard disc drive”. I’ve connected optical drives when USB boot wasn’t supported, but the last time I voluntarily used a disc drive was to test an M-Data disc burned to silicon. But yeah, none of these new devices have a HDD or optical (or floppy disk, for that matter).
Those are not discs.
I thought that valve even allowed other companies to use the steam deck software on their own hardware.
I’m pretty sure its just a linux distro anyone can use, maybe even open source.
Manufacturers will choose the sweet microsoft money tho they get per device with windows preinstalled.
Explain joke please? How does a blurry photograph taken from the inside of a refrigerator relate to a Windows handheld gaming device?
It’s a gif, I had to tap on it before it played (on Jerboa)
OHHHHHH thank you
