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        No societal structures and systems are continuous or exist within a vacuum. Conflict is always a potential threat, whether human beings can learn to resolve their differences and coexist in harmony is both a personal and a group matter that would ideally be more fair with a third party referee, however, humanity is sadly yet to become capable of asking his best friend (dog) for their opinions

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        What previous societal structure… Have we ever had a time where the workers actually owned anything? The reality in the past has always been a handful of elites pulling all the strings, just like today.

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          landLORDs are a hold over from feudalism. I was talking about that, not the workers owning the means of production.

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            Thanks for clarifying. The original comment was ambiguous. But it’s true, any revolution we achieve will still be influenced by the old systems for good and ill.

            It’s why I get kind of tired of political theory discussions because so many of them assume starting with a clean slate, which will never happen. Once the slate is cleaned well we aren’t around to build anything else.

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          Before we had kings and queens, people were tribal but certainly not as aggressive as today. Think about it, all hierarchies seek to impose dominance and control, both on its subjects and on outsiders that it comes in contact with

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            Are you really claiming that humans weren’t as aggressive before we had kings? Did having titled rulers suddenly change our animal biology? Even monkeys have hierarchy and can be brutally aggressive for power and control. Ffs I’ve seen crows fight it out to be the alpha.

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              How aggressive and how efficient though? Guns are the product of a large scale society that needs to arm itself to protect itself just like a dog has teeth.