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Yeah, things are not looking good for the Completionist.
I remember when Greg had Jirard take all the old videos with him in it down. At the time, I believed he was kinda being a dick. Now I’m starting to believe (especially because we can see him in photos at the Open Hand golf tournament) he had an inkling of a suspicion that shady stuff was going on, and wanted to distance himself. I don’t think Greg has anything to do with what Jirard is being accused of, but I remember him having issues with how little he was compensated for the videos he was in, and it seems likely that he would have noticed some odd money-handling behaviors from his friend and decided it would be best to get the fuck outta Dodge.
EDIT: This comment did not present itself as I intended. Please read ThunderingJerboa’s response to this, as well as mine.
I think this is a bit revisionist. You even say the real answer, Greg likely wasn’t getting a cut he thought was sufficient, he had a falling out with Jirard probably due to said cut not being enough. So he requests Jirard pulls down content that has him included because he doesn’t want the man profiting off his work. Its a mixed bag and I can see both points of view but lets not include “new bad thing happens, this is the ‘true reason’ ________ left” moment. Its no secret that mixing friends and money can easily lead to a falling out, I just find it silly whenever there is drama we have to add our own conspiratorial twists when we already have a very logical reason why X happened. Unless Greg chooses to confirm this is the reason why he left its pointless to assume its this way, hell even if he does confirm it we have to keep in mind, people are willing to lie to get seen far more favorably and jumping onto a dogpile is pretty easy. Greg hasn’t really kept an online presence, so I may actually believe him far more than if it was another content maker doing this because there is far less to gain from this.
You’re absolutely right. However, it was not my intention to imply that Greg actually knew about the alleged fraud. Rather, I meant that because it seems Greg got fucked by Jirard in the money department, he would be more likely to suspect it was happening to others. Because of that, I wondered if it played a part in his decision making. The detail about the Open Hand photos adds more of a conspiratorial twist to this message than I meant. I was surprised that Open Hand was old enough to be around the same time as Greg, and only included that to point out this fact. Upon rereading it, I do realize that my comment takes a very matter-of-fact tone, and I appreciate your measured response counteracting that. I agree that it’s totally pointless to speculate without an official testimony and with an obvious answer already present, and will try to refrain from doing so in the future.
You are good mate, this stuff just always happens where it gets a bit annoying. We see this in the drama cycle where news comes how X person is an awful person or did something wrong. We know about Y events that happened in the past so people try to draw Y events around this new bit of news but we don’t really live in a fictional world where all these plotlines/events all culminate into something satisfying. Life is a rather complex thing and it makes it feel so small when it all culminates into every event we the public know about a public figure have to fit into each other like a complete puzzle when huge portions of a public figure’s life is typically shrouded in mystery.
Ok, I’m not so up on all this YouTube drama, since I’ve only watched Completionist videos when YouTube’s recommended them, and that’s only been on the last few years. Who’s Greg? What happened with him and Jirard?
Okay Completionist started 2011 or 2012, he has a costar named Greg and it seems they met at college and were friend. Greg played the comic relief of the show at the time. Fast Forward to 2015, he leaves unexpectedly. Then fast forward another 2 years when in 2017, Greg I believe with lawyers told Jirard the completionist to unlist all the episodes Greg has appeared with. That is basically the story of Greg. It seems there were issues with extended work periods that didn’t gel well with his schedule and priorities and good for Greg understanding that since choosing loved ones over work is rather important. It seems Greg got shafted because Him and Jirard had a falling out and there was no formalized contract between them since he expected friends to look out for each other. It sucks but I consider money to be a part of the equation with the removal of those old episodes since he didn’t like the company using his image to earn a profit.
Also take this with a grain of salt but apparently he also made a post about it on reddit in the past with these lines
“It is extremely difficult to move on from a project that I helped create for so many years. Not only were we building the show as a creative outlet but, also as a source of monetary stability for the both of us. Both of these are no longer true for me. While we may have not put in precisely equal hours on the show, I believe that had Jirard and I’s mind not morphed into one for four years, TOVG would not be what you see and enjoy today.”
This could be a random poster and not be Greg, seeing as this is their one only post. I just don’t think its a huge leap that money and friends typically don’t mix well. Money breaks bonds in so many different ways and its a prime reason why I don’t like dealing with loans with friends or family. It really rarely ends well.
I remember when Greg had Jirard take all the old videos with him in it down. At the time, I believed he was kinda being a dick. Now I’m starting to believe (especially because we can see him in photos at the Open Hand golf tournament) he had an inkling of a suspicion that shady stuff was going on, and wanted to distance himself. I don’t think Greg has anything to do with what Jirard is being accused of, but I remember him having issues with how little he was compensated for the videos he was in, and it seems likely that he would have noticed some odd money-handling behaviors from his friend and decided it would be best to get the fuck outta Dodge.
EDIT: This comment did not present itself as I intended. Please read ThunderingJerboa’s response to this, as well as mine.
I think this is a bit revisionist. You even say the real answer, Greg likely wasn’t getting a cut he thought was sufficient, he had a falling out with Jirard probably due to said cut not being enough. So he requests Jirard pulls down content that has him included because he doesn’t want the man profiting off his work. Its a mixed bag and I can see both points of view but lets not include “new bad thing happens, this is the ‘true reason’ ________ left” moment. Its no secret that mixing friends and money can easily lead to a falling out, I just find it silly whenever there is drama we have to add our own conspiratorial twists when we already have a very logical reason why X happened. Unless Greg chooses to confirm this is the reason why he left its pointless to assume its this way, hell even if he does confirm it we have to keep in mind, people are willing to lie to get seen far more favorably and jumping onto a dogpile is pretty easy. Greg hasn’t really kept an online presence, so I may actually believe him far more than if it was another content maker doing this because there is far less to gain from this.
You’re absolutely right. However, it was not my intention to imply that Greg actually knew about the alleged fraud. Rather, I meant that because it seems Greg got fucked by Jirard in the money department, he would be more likely to suspect it was happening to others. Because of that, I wondered if it played a part in his decision making. The detail about the Open Hand photos adds more of a conspiratorial twist to this message than I meant. I was surprised that Open Hand was old enough to be around the same time as Greg, and only included that to point out this fact. Upon rereading it, I do realize that my comment takes a very matter-of-fact tone, and I appreciate your measured response counteracting that. I agree that it’s totally pointless to speculate without an official testimony and with an obvious answer already present, and will try to refrain from doing so in the future.
You are good mate, this stuff just always happens where it gets a bit annoying. We see this in the drama cycle where news comes how X person is an awful person or did something wrong. We know about Y events that happened in the past so people try to draw Y events around this new bit of news but we don’t really live in a fictional world where all these plotlines/events all culminate into something satisfying. Life is a rather complex thing and it makes it feel so small when it all culminates into every event we the public know about a public figure have to fit into each other like a complete puzzle when huge portions of a public figure’s life is typically shrouded in mystery.
Ok, I’m not so up on all this YouTube drama, since I’ve only watched Completionist videos when YouTube’s recommended them, and that’s only been on the last few years. Who’s Greg? What happened with him and Jirard?
Okay Completionist started 2011 or 2012, he has a costar named Greg and it seems they met at college and were friend. Greg played the comic relief of the show at the time. Fast Forward to 2015, he leaves unexpectedly. Then fast forward another 2 years when in 2017, Greg I believe with lawyers told Jirard the completionist to unlist all the episodes Greg has appeared with. That is basically the story of Greg. It seems there were issues with extended work periods that didn’t gel well with his schedule and priorities and good for Greg understanding that since choosing loved ones over work is rather important. It seems Greg got shafted because Him and Jirard had a falling out and there was no formalized contract between them since he expected friends to look out for each other. It sucks but I consider money to be a part of the equation with the removal of those old episodes since he didn’t like the company using his image to earn a profit.
Also take this with a grain of salt but apparently he also made a post about it on reddit in the past with these lines
“It is extremely difficult to move on from a project that I helped create for so many years. Not only were we building the show as a creative outlet but, also as a source of monetary stability for the both of us. Both of these are no longer true for me. While we may have not put in precisely equal hours on the show, I believe that had Jirard and I’s mind not morphed into one for four years, TOVG would not be what you see and enjoy today.”
This could be a random poster and not be Greg, seeing as this is their one only post. I just don’t think its a huge leap that money and friends typically don’t mix well. Money breaks bonds in so many different ways and its a prime reason why I don’t like dealing with loans with friends or family. It really rarely ends well.