Pretty much the title. Where’s the hate towards Manjaro coming from? I was pretty much a Ubuntu/Fedora user for years but never got too technical. Used almost always gnome, but recently got interested in tiling wm and have done some searches and stumbled upon the Manjaro Sway edition and everything works quite well, but I keep seeing people bashing on Manjaro and I don’t know exactly why. So if I were to use sway in Arch or Arco (way friendlier to install) if there any simple way to replicate the makeup sway default configuration?

Thank you all for your time.

  • Nia@lemmy.ml
    3·
    1 year ago

    There’s a lot of reasons people hate on Manjaro, though generally they boil down to instability - despite being on a slower schedule than Arch, a lot of people report worse breakage; their main “testing” is just being a week behind Arch without actually testing much.

    Crucially, this can break things when mixing in AUR packages since those are shared w/ Arch and so anything in there that’s precompiled against the Arch version of relevant libraries might just break.

    It also has considerably deficient security policies, such as the GUI installer pamac allowing unsuspecting users to trivially install unvetted packages from the AUR without even a clear indication they may be dangerous, and they forgot to update their SSL certificates twice edit: five times (see https://lemmy.ml/comment/1343440), asking users to manually overwrite them as a “fix”.

    Unrelated to desktop, I’ve also noticed Manjaro staff are quite hostile and unpleasant to work with; I’m involved in a project that works on Linux on mobile devices, and Manjaro’s mobile team has been less than the most pleasant. This is a personal gripe for sure and unrelated to the distro itself, but if I’m going to take a dump on Manjaro I’ll do it all the way.

    As for your other question; you can simply copy the sway config file from the Manjaro install. Either mount the ISO and search there, or if it needs to be installed to populate the sway config, just install in a VM and copy it from there. Necessary packages should be relatively easy to find by just reading the errors sway spits out and googling them.

    • DigDoug@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      such as the GUI installer pamac allowing unsuspecting users to trivially install unvetted packages from the AUR without even a clear indication they may be dangerous

      Unless something has changed since the last time I used Manjaro, this isn’t actually true. You have to go relatively deep into Pamac’s settings menu to enable AUR packages, and when you do, a popup comes up telling you what the AUR is and why it might be dangerous (although iirc, it neglects to tell you that an extra reason is Manjaro packages being out of date).

      Not that I’m pro-Manjaro, for all the other reasons you’ve given.

  • Fisch@lemmy.ml
    1·
    1 year ago

    I’ve used Manjaro for a while and my system broke twice in that time just by updating my system (And with “broke” I mean it didn’t boot anymore). Then I switched to EndeavourOS and I haven’t had that issue once. Been using that for over 2 years now.

  • moreeni@lemm.ee
    02·
    1 year ago

    Arch is about DIY approach. Arch derivatives for “making it easy” are a joke because they defeat the whole point of doing it yourself

    • IDe@lemmy.oneEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      Doing it yourself is fine as an educational exercise for newbies, but skilled linux users generally have better things to do than to do the setup by hand for the nth time. On the other hand the “vanilla”/bleeding-edge approach of Arch makes it one of the best bases for derivative distros available, so basing your distro on it is a no-brainer for many.

      • moreeni@lemm.eeEnglish
        0·
        1 year ago

        but skilled linux users generally have better things to do than to do the setup by hand for the nth time.

        Had this fine skilled linux user over there heard about archinstall scripts?

          • moreeni@lemm.eeEnglish
            0·
            1 year ago

            It is but if you still want to have an “easy install” you might go with an archinstall script that usually happens to be “lighter” than a derivative distro

            • guyman@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Or just use a distro that sets everything up for you.

              Seems like anything is the solution except that in your mind, lol.

              Glad we have option 😎

              • moreeni@lemm.eeEnglish
                0·
                1 year ago

                Or just use a distro that sets everything up for you

                You didn’t even get my point but had the audacity to write that second sentence :-/

                • guyman@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Your point was that users can use arch install scripts to automate some of the setup process.

                  I countered by saying they could just use a distro that has an installer integrated directly into it.

                  I also added that in your mind, there is no legitimate reason to use an arch derivative. This highlights your bias.

                  What was I missing, exactly?