• ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml
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    Anyone could have said the same to Marx about communism at any point in his life, as he died before the October revolution.

    the difference is you named a bunch of dead ideologies that will never be revived, ML is literally the only form of marxism still flourishing

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        how is that speculation, its material; Im only interested in ideologies with proven merit.

        Im willing to take a chance of a synthesis on a new idea, but it has to actually offer people something.

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          It’s speculation because you don’t know what the future holds. And just because you’re not interested in a particular ideology or don’t think it has merit doesn’t make it any less communist.

          My only point is that words do in fact have meaning, Marxist-Leninism is not synonymous with communism. Therefore, one can be anti-tankie without being anti-communist.

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            You can be, but that would be called ‘idealism’ and no one outside of western liberal spheres will take you seriously.

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            “Orthodox Marxists” can hardly be said to exist, because the classical formulation of Marxism has long been empirically refuted, hence the need for new schools. Even Luxembourgists are more respectable than “Orthodox Marxists”.

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              I don’t see how acknowledging that other branches of communism and Marxism exist is idealism, bad faith, or irrational.

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                Because you only advocate for ideas that dont exist in reality, and deride actually existing marxism as ‘tankie’, you can continue to advocate for idealist positions, but it requires you to build a coherent movement around it otherwise its just masterbation and contrarianism.