And I’m being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don’t understand it. Can someone please “steelman” that argument for me?

  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    20 days ago

    Thing is you can actually be radical. In a healthy democracy you need some small fringes to exert pressure, e.g. civil right activist groups and so on so that the government isn’t able to just completely ignore portions of the population.

    But to be effective as an activist you have to know when to put on pressure and when to unite. Malcolm X or Fred Hampton didn’t go vote for David Duke just because MLK was a pacifist.

    This was the wrong time to pressure because as always activists dramatically misread the levels of actual support for their cause and dramatically underestimate how much support the general populace gives the opposition.

    Most people don’t even agree on the very basic facts of reality or that such a thing can even exist and that for instance pretty certain observations made using the scientific method aren’t just equally weighed to someone’s opinion, how tf are you gonna expect to convince them of anything? What you gonna write some long post on it? Good luck - they literally cannot read.

    Humanity is just a dogshit species. To even agree that we shouldn’t stab ourselves in our proverbial balls with a proverbial milwaukee power drill - it takes like generations and most people are always for the status quo and the worst possible version of everything is the default we have to work from and with, it’s just a cruel joke and it would be more existentially comforting if progress was outright impossible.

      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        20 days ago

        Huh? You really think that if they caved on Palestine they would’ve won? Most Americans support the guy who wants to impose Muslim travel bans

        • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          19 days ago

          Imagine thinking someone needs to cave on not being genocidal. Jesus fucking christ.

          • students were arrested under their watch, a key demographic for them in a tight race. Students are often motivated canvassers. Their response to the outcry? There must be order. Get bent biden/harris.
          • they lost 25 electoral points in two fucking swing states directly related to this. In literal numbers codified in the outcome.
          • they completely fucking ignored the economic issues caused by corporate greed. Fun fact kellogs is charging over 100% more for fucking corn flakes than the store brand. CORN FLAKES.

          Most Americans support the guy who wants to impose Muslim travel bans.

          Sigh. You didnt do well in math did you? Tell me where did the 20 million votes for biden last time go? Trumps numbers are unchanged. Oh right, they didnt show up. 🤔

          Never mind the fucking fact most adults dont vote. So no most Americans dont support trump. They just dont think either party is worth their emotional energy. Good job democrats! 🤔

          And token handle the rest of your nonsense with the polling numbers.

          • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            12 days ago

            students were arrested under their watch, a key demographic for them in a tight race. Students are often motivated canvassers. Their response to the outcry? There must be order. Get bent biden/harris.

            Yes and most people support that. They see you as more unhinged than the anti-police protestors and think Trump must be onto something with demolishing the DoE if the nation students are protesting for who they see as Islamist terrorists.

            they lost 25 electoral points in two fucking swing states directly related to this. In literal numbers codified in the outcome.

            Source?

            they completely fucking ignored the economic issues caused by corporate greed

            Yeah that’s socialism. They already lost the Latino vote by being too socialist. The electorate wants tax breaks for Kelogg’s CEO.

            Sigh. You didnt do well in math did you? Tell me where did the 20 million votes for biden last time go?

            Some of them probably to Trump.

            Trumps numbers are unchanged.

            Are you an idiot? You’re implying that these are the exact same people just because the numbers are roughly the same?

            Biden convinced a lot of swing voters due to COVID.

            Never mind the fucking fact most adults dont vote.

            Source?

            And token handle the rest of your nonsense with the polling numbers.

            Token handle? Like JRR Tolkien? Did you have a stroke?

            FYI: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fp2jwdarksy0e1.png

            The vote count was roughly the same. Many dem voter swinged to Trump because they want a far-right ethnostate ruled by thugs and criminals.