This kind of thinking frustrates me, creating a good social media site/service should not be about inifinite growth or numbers games, it should be about creating a good and sustainable community, something so far I have only seen some of fedi try to do.
Commercial social media only cares about numbers, not sustainability nor creating a decent community.
Having a fast way of getting announcements to people is important. Everyone from the WHO to official government announcements to musicians with a new album to activists announce(d) things on Twitter. For that purpose the first and foremost thing is maximizing the reach of the announcement.
Now there are a myriad of better platforms for this (irc or a mastodon instance owned by the org) but quite frankly they will never have the same populations as bluesky or Twitter (in the short term) because they are a as you put it a “good” social media that isn’t just about infinite growth.
Be glad that the billionaire actively and openly trying to censor the world is losing out to the billionaore that will leave it alone and sell out again in decade or two. And on the side mastodon picks up the more traditional social media role among those in the know and maybe one day sustainable growth will make it the biggest fish and can take over from the replacement for the replacement of bluesky as the primary announcements channel.
I’m sorry but that is cope.
Imagine if someone said that in the time of telephone?
Oh sure you can’t call much of anyone who aren’t on your street but making a good telephone network isn’t about numbers and infinite growth.
We know of network effects and critical mass. It would have been great if mastodon could have resolved its unacceptable idiosyncrasies to capture the death of twitter. Looks like we now have to wait for the death of bluesky in 2036 for the next try.
I’ve been on many, many social media sites even some you may have never heard of, even moderated globally for at least one of them, some I moderated groups on.
I never enjoyed them because they were commercial and the only thing that matters to commercial sites is money and growth, not good moderation, not creating sustainability etc.
All of them eventually enshittified or were shit from the beginning.
Mastodon, after a brief period of not understanding it, is the only one I have ever felt comfortable on and the only one that despite people nay-saying it has continued to tick along from strength to strength whilst all others I have seen get worse because they have, and always will be about money and squeezing the life out of it by requiring as many people as possible, anything else effectively doesn’t matter because money is what drives them.
So no, it is not a ‘cope’ or whatever ridiculous concept comes next, I’ve personally seen the effects of what happens time and time again and it’s never good.
As for the telephone, well, personally, I’ve never been a fan, a worldwide global network where anyone can reach you whenever they want by knowing a number and more and more sites insisting you hand it over. The irritating grating noises they make, the distractability of modern ones because they have to get you hooked and dependent on them so they can make money off of all that personal data. The fact that there is 0 end-to-end encryption built into the networks themselves and likely never will be, that it can cost so much because those that run it are greedy, taking not just your money but also your time, count me out.
Technology is controlled by and for those that run it and so far, mastodon is the only network I have seen that actually cares about things like sustainability, good community and really considering the tech and trying to influence it to be better in ways that are for the user not corporations. All the rest? Well, they’re all shit because their goal is only making money to pay back their investors or because those that run them only care about having as much money and power as possible, or both.
This kind of thinking frustrates me, creating a good social media site/service should not be about inifinite growth or numbers games, it should be about creating a good and sustainable community, something so far I have only seen some of fedi try to do.
Commercial social media only cares about numbers, not sustainability nor creating a decent community.
Having a fast way of getting announcements to people is important. Everyone from the WHO to official government announcements to musicians with a new album to activists announce(d) things on Twitter. For that purpose the first and foremost thing is maximizing the reach of the announcement.
Now there are a myriad of better platforms for this (irc or a mastodon instance owned by the org) but quite frankly they will never have the same populations as bluesky or Twitter (in the short term) because they are a as you put it a “good” social media that isn’t just about infinite growth.
Be glad that the billionaire actively and openly trying to censor the world is losing out to the billionaore that will leave it alone and sell out again in decade or two. And on the side mastodon picks up the more traditional social media role among those in the know and maybe one day sustainable growth will make it the biggest fish and can take over from the replacement for the replacement of bluesky as the primary announcements channel.
I’m sorry but that is cope. Imagine if someone said that in the time of telephone?
Oh sure you can’t call much of anyone who aren’t on your street but making a good telephone network isn’t about numbers and infinite growth.
We know of network effects and critical mass. It would have been great if mastodon could have resolved its unacceptable idiosyncrasies to capture the death of twitter. Looks like we now have to wait for the death of bluesky in 2036 for the next try.
I find it funny that these takes are made on lemmy. Why aren’t you only on reddit? It’s much bigger and much easier to use than lemmy.
Because fuck /u/spez
I’ve been on many, many social media sites even some you may have never heard of, even moderated globally for at least one of them, some I moderated groups on.
I never enjoyed them because they were commercial and the only thing that matters to commercial sites is money and growth, not good moderation, not creating sustainability etc.
All of them eventually enshittified or were shit from the beginning.
Mastodon, after a brief period of not understanding it, is the only one I have ever felt comfortable on and the only one that despite people nay-saying it has continued to tick along from strength to strength whilst all others I have seen get worse because they have, and always will be about money and squeezing the life out of it by requiring as many people as possible, anything else effectively doesn’t matter because money is what drives them.
So no, it is not a ‘cope’ or whatever ridiculous concept comes next, I’ve personally seen the effects of what happens time and time again and it’s never good.
As for the telephone, well, personally, I’ve never been a fan, a worldwide global network where anyone can reach you whenever they want by knowing a number and more and more sites insisting you hand it over. The irritating grating noises they make, the distractability of modern ones because they have to get you hooked and dependent on them so they can make money off of all that personal data. The fact that there is 0 end-to-end encryption built into the networks themselves and likely never will be, that it can cost so much because those that run it are greedy, taking not just your money but also your time, count me out.
Technology is controlled by and for those that run it and so far, mastodon is the only network I have seen that actually cares about things like sustainability, good community and really considering the tech and trying to influence it to be better in ways that are for the user not corporations. All the rest? Well, they’re all shit because their goal is only making money to pay back their investors or because those that run them only care about having as much money and power as possible, or both.