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I never claimed nor intended to give nazis any benefit of the doubt.

Thanks for the detailed insight.

As a side note, I was actually going through the 1st Galician-wikipage and found a link to some explanation on the emblem. Seems there is some historical reasons for the use of the lion and the crowns. The crowns are still found in the coat of arms of Galicia.

This emblem was to be depicted ‘traditionally Ukrainian weapons, but those that would not be symbols of Ukrainian national hopes^1.’

The lion symbol in historical documents is found for the first time in the coat of arms of the Galician-Volyn state. From that time until World War I, the lion remained the Ukrainian national coat of arms in Galicia^1.

And the crowns has something to do with the Austrian Monarchy^1.

Sergey Muzychuk (2004), “Ukrainian military arm emblems during World War II 1939-45.”, https://www.myslenedrevo.com.ua/uk/Sci/AuxHistSci/Znak/znak33/UkrSymbolsWW2.html

He had more than his view, he was instrumental in its creation and actively visited them.

Indeed, Nazi propaganda must have strengthened their alliance as well.

President Vlodymyr Zelensky, who is Jewish, condemned the embroidery marches, which had been conducted legally.

I guess Nazi symbolic are not as regulated as they are in western-Europe and far from the strict rules in Germany.

Do you know if neo-nazism forms a more significant part of the Ukrainian population than in other states, or has it been much more highlighted because of the invasion?

It is sad to see these nazi, xenophobic and extreem right parties flourishing over Europe. All the polarising issues playing now, with a large amount of disrupters and disinformation do not tend to bring people in harmony.

I completely agree, we should not applaud these people, not parade them and of course nationalism often leads to more harm than good.

Of course, Himmler had his view on the group, and like you said, and is mentioned on the wikipage, many joined for other reasons, like independence. The group itself has never found guilty for war crimes, this again does not mean this hasn’t happened.

The parade in 2010 is really… bad and strange. Makes me wonder who allowed it. This was prior to the Mayday revolution, under a Russian aligned president.

Again, I am not saying joining the SS for other reasons than the extinction of jews is justified, but people take their opportunity when it arises in a direction they think is right.

Thanks for the insight on the other options in the form of the Galicians. Could the reason for them (the Ukrainian section of the SS) joining the Nazis be, that they could be better equipped as a part of a war machine, rather than as a resistance group?

Without knowing a great deal about this, but I think it is important to look at the reasoning behind them joining the Nazis. Ukraine wasn’t an independent state at that point. Considering Germany fought Russia, this might have had to do with self-interests in creating a state.

Anyhow, I think things are less black and white here. Not saying that this should be applauded in anyway, though.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/25/canadas-house-speaker-apologises-after-praising-ukrainian-veteran-who-fought-for-nazis

Group of Nazi-Germany fighters moved to Canada after WWII, amongst them this Ukrainian who fought on the side of the Germans.

I think this section is quite interesting and shows the reason for many Ukrainians to fight on the German side:

Dominique Arel, the chair of Ukrainian studies at the University of Ottawa, told Canada’s public broadcaster CBC that the division Hunka was part of had attracted thousands of Ukrainian volunteers, many joining with hopes they could achieve Ukrainian independence.

Only Germans from Germany were able to fight in the German army, Arel said, so non-German volunteers who believed in Nazi aims or sought to use Nazi power for their own ends were organised into SS divisions.

“We have the issue of symbolism here, the optics of serving in a military unit whose logo is that of arguably the greatest criminal organisation in the 20th century … so obviously the optics are not good.”

Not saying anything about this particular person, but the world is not black or white.

Or even better, care about your digital privacy and ditch Google and Youtube and use an alternative front end, like invidious, or piped.

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Is that a flag from Luxembourg?

e-lement

Hmmm didn’t think about that, but this would be either unfair competition, as Apple has addons for Safari, or when Browsers can be downloaded from their websites directly an inevitable consequence of EU (and later other states) forcing the app store to be competitive.

Apple is going to allow alternative browser engines, like Gecko which desktop and android Firefoxes are using. Firefox on iOS is nothing more than lesser version of Safari/webkit with Firefox interface and lacks proper blocking and other features. It is expected that Apple allows alternative browser engines when iOS 17 launches.

At that point I hope we can get proper Firefox addons for it! Like uBlock Origin.