Ignoring lint issues comes to mind as an at least somewhat reasonable use case.

bioshock infinite

no infinite games

🤔

I too am skeptical.

Mozilla cares a lot about performance. It is monitored obsessively and there are entire teams dedicated to squeezing out every last drop of performance. Heaven and earth would be moved for a 30% perf boost. I’m guessing either there’s some very severe tradeoffs to these prefs, or setting them somehow breaks the methodology used to obtain this number.

Edit: also benchmarks can be notoriously misleading. I don’t have any opinions or knowledge on basemark (the benchmark used to get this 30% number), but speedometer v3 is the most state of the art and generally agreed upon benchmark for performance these days.

That doesn’t mean the 30% number is bogus… Just that it should be followed by “…on basemark” rather than implying it’s conclusive to overall performance.

This is the best take I’ve seen on the whole kerfuffle so far.

So… You want the default to be more tracking instead and then people need to opt in to get their privacy? 🤔

I don’t think anyone is asking you to stop blocking ads. Block away!

I think the only request defenders of PPA are making, is please don’t actively prevent it from making things better for everyone else.

Huge “I think about you all the time / I don’t think about you at all” vibes.

You’re absolutely correct.

Some folks here just want to ban ads outright, but don’t stop to think what that would mean. The one that frightens me is what happens to the already crumbling news industry when they additionally lose all advertising revenue? And don’t say subscriptions, because those won’t come close to cutting it. Maybe a couple outlets like the Times could survive, but all the others are going under.

It’s a template to help set all the security and privacy hardening features that Firefox already ships with but are disabled by default.

Yes, all great points. But you’re comparing the wrong thing. The comparison isn’t PPA vs no ads. It’s PPA vs being personally targeted by ad companies. It’s clearly a step in the right direction.

Or I can tell advertisers to eat shit and give them nothing, like I’ve been doing my whole life. Has been working well so far

Now your getting it! Yes, just keep using an ad blocker and tell advertisers to fuck off! That’s exactly what we can all continue doing, and this PPA stuff will have 0 impact on us. But it will improve the lives of everyone not using ad blockers.

They didn’t sell your data before

Firefox has been funded by ads from the beginning, and has had sponsored tiles (aka ads) since around 2014 I think?

I personally think there’s a difference between selling ads and selling your data too. I’m going to go on a limb and say you see no distinction.

This was not about “making things better for people on the Internet,” it was about a few individuals enriching themselves.

Mozilla Corp is fully owned by a non profit, so there’s no owners getting rich off of any excess profits.

Saying ads are here to stay so you have to accept them or die, is an absurd false dichotomy

I’d love for nothing more than for there to be a viable alternative!

Because Firefox is funded by ads, whether it’s the PPA ads outlined in this post, or search referrals from Google. Default adblocking would kill the revenue stream. Maybe Firefox could continue on with volunteers and donations, but not anywhere near its current staffing level. Eventually the engine would fall further and further behind and fewer and fewer people would use it.

To clarify… Making a browser is relatively easy and there’s lots of successful projects that do so without significant revenue. But making a rendering engine is really fucking hard and requires a ton of money to maintain.

Let’s be real, there’s no way PPA is going to be as valuable as the data that can be gathered by state of the art ad tech. So the ad companies that adopt this will be making a compromise to do so. How is this tech making their lives easier?

Also they have no incentive to develop this tech, so why would they? It’s not like Mozilla is doing work for them that they would have done anyway. If anything they’re probably worried that the tech will take off and then legislation will follow to force them to use it.

Telling advertisers to fuck off works if your goal is to create a niche product tailored to people who care deeply about privacy already. But Mozilla is very much all about trying to make things better for everyone on the internet, regardless about their opinions (or lack thereof) on privacy and ads.

Mozilla has recognised that advertising isn’t going anywhere, so there’s two options:

1. Reject ads wholesale and become irrelevant.
2. Push for a better alternative that can improve privacy while still keeping the engine that drives the internet intact.

What other major player would ever push for privacy preserving attribution? Hint: no one. While I get that many people here want 0 ads (myself included), PPA is a great step in the right direction, and could have a huge positive impact if it’s shown to work and other companies start adopting it.

And guess what? You can still turn it off, or use adblockers. Unlike Chrome, Firefox won’t restrict you in that regard.

If you’re plugging a USB drive into my home server, then I have bigger problems than malware.

Can anyone recommend any matter based sensors? I too haven’t purchased any devices yet and figured I might as well try to build out with matter to have a single strong network instead of many weaker ones, and aiui matter will likely win out over ZigBee in the long term?

Oh that’s not at all what they implied. They implied you shouldn’t use the project based on the author’s opinions. That’s very different from implying the author isn’t entitled to their opinions.

Boycotting the software doesn’t infringe on the author’s rights to have a shitty opinion. It’s called consequences for being an asshole.

Did the OP say they couldn’t have different views? You must have replied to the wrong comment.

I think you have a very optimistic view on how far crowd sourcing this is going to take us.

BTW, you think web developers aren’t already using editors that use AI to generate alt text automatically? AI alt text is going to be everywhere regardless.

Also I’m not saying that’s a good thing. It’s just an inevitable thing.