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A lot of the comments in here seem a little bit too sympathetic

It is a mental illness. If fake images result in less real-world abuse then that’s a good thing.

There’s the disconnect. How are you getting from A to B? “Can outperform my tower” from five years ago is not “compact computers will start to outperform full-sized computers” and certainly not “GPUs will become useless due to the performance of APUs.” This is the extrapolation that’s confusing me.

You literally made the statement “at no point did I say towers are going to die, just that for a system for gaming without the need for a high-end GPU” which says that you think GPUs (except those at the very high end) will be made obsolete by APUs.

In context, I was referring to the sorts of things that transpire on Reddit when it comes to CPU recommendations if gaming is mentioned at all, where it’s often i9 or nothing, and if it came out two weeks ago, it’s already too slow by orders of magnitude. The middle ground is all but ignored, which is what I’m referring to.

And yet you used it as an actual argument against people here - not on Reddit - who disagree with you. You don’t get to use that argument here and then try to say “no no, I only meant it in reference to people way over there who aren’t even on this social media.”

Please provide examples of this since I’m doing it all over the place. I can’t find one where I talk about how towers are an endangered species.

I provided several exact quotes in my previous comment. I’ll add one more, since it wasn’t enough. In the title of this thread you state “It feels like we’re on the cusp of […] and a real shot at relegating towers to the extreme high end.” Emphasis mine. That very clearly says that you think towers are going to become endangered. That they will preserved only by, and I quote, people at “the extreme high end.”

I thank you for your time reading my comment and replying to me. I think this will be my final word on the subject - but I’ll be sure to read any replies in case you think there’s still a misunderstanding.

Can you point out where I extrapolated about all use cases for all towers?

Very well, I’ll bite. From your OP:

Not quite there yet … […] When a computer that size (actually smaller, since I don’t need a SATA bay) can outperform my tower, though …

all signs point to gaming 4x4 PCs with a wall wart in the next two years

From one of your other posts:

at no point did I say towers are going to die, just that for a system for gaming without the need for a high-end GPU

These comments imply that compact computers will start to outperform full-sized computers, and that GPUs will become useless due to the performance of APUs.

If you’re just talking about your personal preferences, then go build yourself an ITX form factor PC and have fun with it! Oh wait, you already did! Good for you - you have a PC that fits your needs. You aren’t alone in that. The Steam Deck is generally well-received, for example.

But it really sounds like you aren’t just talking about your personal preferences. It sounds like you really believe that APUs are going to replace high-end GPUs. It sounds like you think gaming laptops are going to take over the world.

I’ll repeat your quote from earlier: “a system for gaming without the need for a high-end GPU”. APUs are going to replace low-end GPUs - in fact, they already have! The $200 new GPU market no longer exists! But they don’t provide enough performance to max out graphics of new games and, in your own words, remove the need for high-end GPUs.

It seems like your entire post is about “man I can’t wait for the full/mid-tower PC market to die” and then you’re acting surprised when people say things like “my PC sits on my desk and never moves do I’d rather have a full-sized cooling solution.”

And your other comments just reinforce it.

What peripherals are people using that necessitate so many add-in cards for non-HPC needs that ATX is a must, and why is it assumed that anything less than an i9 will freeze opening Notepad and thus the only power envelope worth validly addressing is that of an i9?

You’re creating a strawman. Nobody except you is saying that an i9 will freeze opening Notepad. It’s also very hostile in implying that “I’m fine with therefore most of the world must also be fine with it.” Some folks play CPU-intensive games and prefer having a powerful PC. That’s their money to spend how they want.

Full-sized PCs permit adaptability.

• Onboard Wi-Fi died? Get an add-in card replacement. This applies to onboard audio, network, USB, etc.
• Phone no longer has a 3.5mm jack and I now have to use a Bluetooth headset? Time to add Bluetooth to my PC via add-in card.
• Got a cool new monitor from a friend that’s higher resolution? I can upgrade my GPU independently. APUs limit me to what my motherboard socket supports.

Full-sized PCs permit better cooling. Even mid-range GPUs benefit from that.

Full-sized PCs easier dust cleaning and maintenance.

Full-sized PCs are easier to work in for those of us that like to tinker.

There’s more to it than “What peripherals are people using that necessitate so many add-in cards for non-HPC needs that ATX is a must,” that’s a deliberately dumb take.

To summarize:

People who want a compact or power-efficient PCs already have one.

People who prefer more power/cooling have a mid-tower or full-tower PC.

Games and other software will keep pace with the power/cooling available common PCs, so don’t expect the full-sized ones to go away just because the compact ones get more powerful.

I guess I’m a bit confused about a lot of reactions here, because at no point did I say towers are going to die

Yes you did. You’ve been saying it repeatedly in different forms throughout your various replies. I think you’re wrong, and it seems so do several other commenters.

“How is a security hole in the thing people use to do their banking a problem for the user?”

If you think it’s just a matter of writing a completely fresh browser every few years to remove legacy code, then I invite you to do so and prove us all wrong. I’ll be looking forward to it, along with all of the new security holes you open by using new, untested code all the time.

In the meantime, feel free to use an ESR version of whatever browser you prefer a slower update cycle while still being supported for any major security findings.

I’m sure there’s a joke here about eating other people’s eggplants, but I’m too innocent to find it.

GN has made a section on this at the start of their HW News video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3byz3txpso

I don’t see that already posted here. Of particular note is that Linus lied regarding the Billet Labs repayment agreement. Otherwise, I’ll let Steve speak for himself.

It’s his job to say who should buy it.

No.

It’s his job to provide accurate data, and possibly a recommendation for those wanting to know his opinion.

It’s the consumer’s job to look at the data in the review and determine whether or not to buy it.

You don’t see GN failing to properly review a 4070 Ti because “nobody should buy this”. They do the review properly and then say “nobody should buy this” after having given accurate data.

You don’t get to skip doing your literal job just because you don’t think the product is worth buying.

Some slight additions:

Google gives their word that Chrome itself will keep it disabled for a random 5% of users at launch.

I’ve emphasized what I view to be the problems.

1. This requires you to trust that Google will actually do this at launch; and to be fair I expect they probably will. That said, it’s not a legally binding statement. Promises are cheap.

2. This requires you to trust that the ‘random 5% of users’ figure will remain a thing forever, and not be silently rolled back in a Chrome update two years from release once most of the complaints die down.