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AFAIK no, and we probably never will

They just might, open source financing is good PR. 100 is a fair bit more than i thought, thanks for the source.

Fedora is pretty much vanilla GNOME.

They have minimize and maximize buttons ootb iirc. And probably a bunch of other stuff I can’t cite off the top of my head. Arch is the one that has vanilla gnome.

And yes, pretty much all users install third party apps.

I think you have a biased view of an average user. Anyways we’re getting off topic. The original argument being that tray icons are not relevant for most users. You have yet to cite a good example where the tray icon is necessary for the app to properly function.

Okay but the comparison was about GNOME vs KDE, not "GNOME modified with 5 extensions and tweaks

Yeah each distribution has their own patch set. If you really want to compare you need to start with the most popular, ubuntu and fedora.

Also, most users will want to install third party applications. Your average gamer will likely install Discord and Steam, both of them use a tray icon.

The two examples you gave are definitely not most users. I’d be surprised if it were even 20%. And the tray icon isn’t necessary for either of them to work correctly. Most people use the computer to open the browser.

I think you’re discounting just how much they’ve invested and continue to invest in Proton/WINE

I’m not really sure I am… Do we have some actual numbers into how much money they’ve sunk in linux?
Gaming on linux is a huge community effort, whether it’s wine, dxvk, vkd3d, mesa, linux itself… and plenty of smaller projects like lutris, bottles, UMU… And all this spans literal decades, far before valve ever got involved.

Beginners using vanilla GNOME

Beginners will never really be in a position where they’ll be using vanilla gnome, so that argument is kinda moot. And even if they did, those features are literally one extension away…

will quickly miss features like a minimize button and certainly tray icons.

Tray icons don’t exist in gnome’s ecosystem, it only becomes problematic once you get third party applications. The real problems are the minimize/maximize, desktop icons, and panel on top when coming from windows. Although these days with the ever increasing phone use people might just be more at ease with gnome’s workflow anyways.

It annoys me too that Valve is getting most of the credit for Proton while most of the work is actually done in winehq, dxvk… I’m sure Valve pays for some development here and there, and greases some developer wheels, but the main thing they do is being a front end for consumers.

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Yes.

My point being that while valve itself has only 350 employees, it subcontracts far more than that.

These stats don’t include subcontractors and as such they’re very misleading. For example, who do you think produces the GPUs inside the steam deck? Hint: it’s not Valve.

This isn’t massive flaws that suddenly appeared overnight, or the straw that broke the camel’s back, it’s purely because they want to get back at the developer. So yes, I think “review bombing” is accurate.

Don’t get me wrong, i dislike enshittification as much as the next guy; but I don’t think a game’s review should be about what the devs posted on twitter yesterday.

It’s just unfortunate that this is the only avenue for players to make their disagreement felt. Game reviews should focus on the game as a whole and not one single aspect, the more these happen the less steam reviews become reliable to gauge the game’s quality.

This would only serve to advertise their ips, just look at Overwatch. If you really want to fuck with a corporation, the best way is to forget about them.

The whole thing never made much sense anyways, machines would be without scrupules and cut off any redundancies like extra limbs, they’d probably just keep your brain in a jar.

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If you’re addicted to a game, your phone battery is the least of your problems.

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Dxvk is usually better, but using vulkan is the better strategic move, you’ll increase their vulkan stats and provide QA. Good native vulkan support will beat dxvk every time.

Well yeah, but the problem is typically the people who you don’t want you calling you in the middle of night are also the ones willing to call you a few times till you pick up.

Linux only just hit 2% market share

That’s steam players, linux on desktop is estimated at 4%, and 6% if you count chromeos.