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I’ve installed fedora thrice last year, and each time, I’ve had to enable rpm fusion in the terminal and download ffmpeg to get youtube to work. This is something that can’t be fixed afaik, because it’s a copyright issue.

At some point you need start cutting stuff or nothing happens and you’re the one still maintaining the 32 bit packages 15 years later.

There’s plenty of different solutions, but anything that isn’t what people already have is gonna upset.

It’s one of those changes that will happen sooner or later, bazzite and steam need to figure out a solution because fedora, and other modern distros can’t and won’t keep dragging around 32 bit libraries forever.

Fedora doesn’t enable non free repositories by default, and that’s a big deal for new users. Telling someone they need to run commands in the terminal to get their nvidia drivers, or even get youtube working is a problem.

Even if it’s out of beta for 26.04, you’ll probably want to wait a few releases before giving it a go. It’s bound to be quite unstable for a few years.

I don’t know much myself, check the fedora thread where they go into more details.

low-effort

People always underestimate the work that goes into making sure stuff works. These packages need to be built so they add a lot of compile time to the pipeline, these packages have limitations inherent to 32 bits so they also add troubleshooting and bugs. This is time and resources that could be spent elsewhere.

Apparently there’s a few problems with the flatpak version, like you can’t run gamescope or start a steam big picture session.

People making an informed choice about linux vs windows are a minority, the majority just don’t realize switching is even an option let alone have the technical know-how to go through with it. As long as windows comes pre installed, nothing will touch its hegemony.

I dislike microsoft as much as the next guy, but xbox doesn’t have a monopoly on phones, or really any presence at all. Competition on android is good for everyone but google.

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Besides games that actively block linux for their anti-cheat, there aren’t many games that don’t work ootb on linux.
You can always check for specific games on protondb.

AFAIK no, and we probably never will

They just might, open source financing is good PR. 100 is a fair bit more than i thought, thanks for the source.

Fedora is pretty much vanilla GNOME.

They have minimize and maximize buttons ootb iirc. And probably a bunch of other stuff I can’t cite off the top of my head. Arch is the one that has vanilla gnome.

And yes, pretty much all users install third party apps.

I think you have a biased view of an average user. Anyways we’re getting off topic. The original argument being that tray icons are not relevant for most users. You have yet to cite a good example where the tray icon is necessary for the app to properly function.

Okay but the comparison was about GNOME vs KDE, not "GNOME modified with 5 extensions and tweaks

Yeah each distribution has their own patch set. If you really want to compare you need to start with the most popular, ubuntu and fedora.

Also, most users will want to install third party applications. Your average gamer will likely install Discord and Steam, both of them use a tray icon.

The two examples you gave are definitely not most users. I’d be surprised if it were even 20%. And the tray icon isn’t necessary for either of them to work correctly. Most people use the computer to open the browser.

I think you’re discounting just how much they’ve invested and continue to invest in Proton/WINE

I’m not really sure I am… Do we have some actual numbers into how much money they’ve sunk in linux?
Gaming on linux is a huge community effort, whether it’s wine, dxvk, vkd3d, mesa, linux itself… and plenty of smaller projects like lutris, bottles, UMU… And all this spans literal decades, far before valve ever got involved.

Beginners using vanilla GNOME

Beginners will never really be in a position where they’ll be using vanilla gnome, so that argument is kinda moot. And even if they did, those features are literally one extension away…

will quickly miss features like a minimize button and certainly tray icons.

Tray icons don’t exist in gnome’s ecosystem, it only becomes problematic once you get third party applications. The real problems are the minimize/maximize, desktop icons, and panel on top when coming from windows. Although these days with the ever increasing phone use people might just be more at ease with gnome’s workflow anyways.

It annoys me too that Valve is getting most of the credit for Proton while most of the work is actually done in winehq, dxvk… I’m sure Valve pays for some development here and there, and greases some developer wheels, but the main thing they do is being a front end for consumers.