If you think I look silly, sure. All I’m saying is all of the meat advocates that jumped to attack the OP are missing the point.

Now, why would you all misconstrue what they said so bad? Are you all seriously arguing that even close to a substantial percent of people hunt for their own food?

Maybe, just MAYBE, they weren’t talking about all of you who actually have, and instead were making a point about how the vast majority of people in at least the US have not and will not hunt their own food in their lifetime. The number drops if we only consider those who actually provide for themselves with hunting rather than treat it as a sport with meat as a bonus.

No you are right, they must have literally meant that noone has ever hunted ever. That makes much more sense. Definitely doesnt say anything about your reading comprehension.

I get it, they are coming for your meat, probably your guns too. Life’s rough. Keep up the good fight.

All of your efforts at self-preservation seem to disagree.

Okay but you understand what you call proper maintenance is not the average maintenance. People aren’t neglecting their cars, they dont have the time to spend on it. The only people that talk about proper maintenance like you are the people who grew up with a mentor or mechanic in their life.

Having a car make 300k is a sign of privilege or exceptional design.

Hey we can all just work to be better versions of ourselves, and theres a lot of ways to make progress. Considering I’m the only vegan in my family, I likely buy more meat than you do.

Its really just important to me that people dont allow themselves to stop growing mentally and morally. Its sad when people behave like they have all the answers to everything already.

In my opinion its a direct response to the advice that this can be turned into a positive, and is just pointing out that its technically based on a deceptive principle so you should not make a habit out of it.

I think its fair to consider the situation from all involved perspectives, including the Dads friend.

Because more people want meat every year.

Its not buying it that causes the death, its that you’ve shown you want the meat, so the company is killing the animal to produce the meat for you to buy.

You want meat, they produce meat. You dont want meat, they stop producing meat.

Dudes just saying you can be deceptive without intending it. Its not the craziest idea is it?

To avoid abusing the sunk cost fallacy, it would be best to tell the dad that is not the correct rate, and to please reach out to their friend with the correction.

No chance of someone feeling like they might as well choose youre higher rate because they are already talking to you.

Or companies will continue to design easier to repair systems and the price will continue to drop.

Are you really assuming we are done innovating in the EV industry?

It sounds like you think if ever car was “properly maintained” it would last 300k+ miles. Are we talking about average use or the top 10m? You keep mixing statistics that mean different things, and adding in anecdotes to back them up.

The replies to this are chefs kiss

Everyone talks about the annoying vegan, but look at all of the rage-induced replies from the meat eaters.

I counted maybe a dozen strawmen? People really are resistant to any kind of change, even the thought of it.

If you thought they were saying noone has ever killed their own meat, you are missing the point.

Such a strange combination of sport and killing. Which part do you like best?

If you haven’t realized yet, vegans dont care about hunters.

Factory farms are hard to make an argument for though.

You’ve been shouting at the sky this whole thread.

You do know vegans only want people to be vegan who can do so in a healthy way, right?

And yours are inconsistent. Is there a problem with people pointing that out?

I dont know why you call it your moral system, when your system apparently is that the earth is supreme, humans dont matter, therefore anything that happens is okay. Morals are a societal thing, if you dont care about society then what’s the point?

How do you apply this system to your own actions? Just anything goes cause it doesnt matter?

Do you know how easy it is to get your b12 met with just regular vegan foods? You act like fortified foods dont exist.

If you think its such a big deal, why dont you ask on here if any of the vegans have actually had a b12 deficiency, ever.

Prove it.

The rape part they are referring to is forced insemination.