why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
why don’t the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
there’s plenty of problems with the film without being a frothing misogynist. It’s better than rise of skywalker but i’d rather watch the holiday special.
To add to the list of non-chud reasons to dislike it, the plot is driven entirely by characters doing the dumbest thing possible at every turn on all sides for little to no reason.
Someone once pointed out the First Order could have ended the movie in the first ten minutes by having their dreadnaught just shoot the Resistance’s capital ship instead of the planetary (read: entirely stationary) base first, or by having the dreadnaught’s fighter screen/escort ships deployed instead of just chilling and doing nothing the entire fight.
Gosh, you remember more about that movie than I do; I spent a lot of the time in that theater waiting for the plot to develop. Or, you know, character interactions to change. I felt like the movie should have been cut in half. But rather than hate on Rey being a main character, I’ll just get on with my life tyvm.
I think the hate Last Jedi receives is overblown BUT it was trash. I was semi hopeful after TFA (in hindsight it set the groundwork for a lot of the bad parts) and forgave it some of its flaws due to being the forst movie in a while and having to restart the franchise when it came to theaters but I walked out of TLJ and wanted my time back.
I think there is a lot of hate for Rey that’s actual misogyny hidden behind the legitimate criticism. But the characters writing doesn’t help that situation. I don’t think any of the other characters are written much better so the fact Rey ends up getting most of the hate boils down to her being a woman and her being the main character (I cannot even guess which of these two weighs more into that equation, which is a shame. Her being female really shouldn’t factor into this). The entire movie just felt very silly to me. It makes for good eye candy but if you think deeper about anything that could be construed as a message in that movie it just falls apart imo.
Tl;dr: I don’t think it should come as a shock that the movoe got hate, it was pretty bad all things considered, but the amount sure was shocking
It was the best of its trilogy and most criticism is complete nonsense, but it still wasn’t a great movie. An anti-war deconstruction of Star Wars got made into an actual Star Wars. And that was probably fantastic at one point, but the edit we got was soured by obvious corporate meddling - like the ‘whoops, nevermind’ ending.
Three simple things would’ve saved it.
One, end the Rey / Kylo story immediately after their fight together. ‘Join me.’ Tense silence. No more Rey until the next movie.
Two, have some shellshocked nobody find the crystal fox things and save the good guys. She doesn’t need lines. She doesn’t need a name. The Force is in all living things. Anyone can be a hero.
Three, don’t hand the finale back to JJ fucking Abrams.
It’s a plot faucet. From an old discussion elsewhere:
Spreading 9 across two movies could not have helped. Sudden introduction was not the problem with a rehash of ROTJ and AOTC - quadrupling down on the Death Star lasers while also pulling a secret army out of thin air. Multiple fake-out deaths would be so much worse if they kept happening in two films. Giving people time to think about the macguffin chase could only make it sillier. They need a map in a thing from a guy who’s dead but has a knife matching ruins so it’s a map to the thing and they don’t even get it. But somehow they manage to fly through a rehash of the clouds from Solo, to where a zillion ships rely on one radio tower, and their brilliant plan for a wild-west shootout atop a spaceship - with horses! - completely fails until two zillion ships fly in to help. They just fly in. Through the secret cloud maze. Which is so un-navigable that it’s the only thing keeping the bad guys in, because spaceships can’t look up.
I heavily disagree, that movie disrespected the entire cast if you ask me. There was not a single story thread in TLJ that I found to be even slightly well thought out. Plenty of good ideas but the executions were horribly botched.
I cannot say anything abput Rise of Skywalker since I haven’t watched it but I don’t think tjat matters for the following. Imo TLJ was not the best movie out of the three, if we look at them in isolation, I could maybe see that being the case. But it isn’t a movie in isolation. It’s a sequel to a movie that already ate up most of the goodwill around. At least personally I was willing to cut TFA a lot of slack since it was the first movie in a good while for the Star Wars Universe. I was not willing to do so for TLJ sonce it was the second movie and they really should have had some idea of what the plan was by then. TFA probably screws over the trilogy harder than TLJ with its plot but TLJ doesn’t get the “Has to restart movie franchise” card that TFA got.
i was shocked to go online and see mountains of hate for The Last Jedi. i thought it was amazing
I never got that either. It’s clearly the best of the three from the new trilogy. I mean, low bar, but still
You should see a doctor immediately - something is obviously wrong with you.
Jk, enjoy whatever you want, I am not the gatekeeper of your enjoyment but understand you are definitely wrong in this one :)
i disagree. everybody is wrong except me. about all things i am opinionated on
why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars
why don’t the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?
why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?
the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.
there’s plenty of problems with the film without being a frothing misogynist. It’s better than rise of skywalker but i’d rather watch the holiday special.
To add to the list of non-chud reasons to dislike it, the plot is driven entirely by characters doing the dumbest thing possible at every turn on all sides for little to no reason.
Someone once pointed out the First Order could have ended the movie in the first ten minutes by having their dreadnaught just shoot the Resistance’s capital ship instead of the planetary (read: entirely stationary) base first, or by having the dreadnaught’s fighter screen/escort ships deployed instead of just chilling and doing nothing the entire fight.
Gosh, you remember more about that movie than I do; I spent a lot of the time in that theater waiting for the plot to develop. Or, you know, character interactions to change. I felt like the movie should have been cut in half. But rather than hate on Rey being a main character, I’ll just get on with my life tyvm.
You monster!
I think the hate Last Jedi receives is overblown BUT it was trash. I was semi hopeful after TFA (in hindsight it set the groundwork for a lot of the bad parts) and forgave it some of its flaws due to being the forst movie in a while and having to restart the franchise when it came to theaters but I walked out of TLJ and wanted my time back.
I think there is a lot of hate for Rey that’s actual misogyny hidden behind the legitimate criticism. But the characters writing doesn’t help that situation. I don’t think any of the other characters are written much better so the fact Rey ends up getting most of the hate boils down to her being a woman and her being the main character (I cannot even guess which of these two weighs more into that equation, which is a shame. Her being female really shouldn’t factor into this). The entire movie just felt very silly to me. It makes for good eye candy but if you think deeper about anything that could be construed as a message in that movie it just falls apart imo.
Tl;dr: I don’t think it should come as a shock that the movoe got hate, it was pretty bad all things considered, but the amount sure was shocking
“Amazing” is too strong imo, but it was way better than the other two in it’s trilogy
It was the best of its trilogy and most criticism is complete nonsense, but it still wasn’t a great movie. An anti-war deconstruction of Star Wars got made into an actual Star Wars. And that was probably fantastic at one point, but the edit we got was soured by obvious corporate meddling - like the ‘whoops, nevermind’ ending.
Three simple things would’ve saved it.
One, end the Rey / Kylo story immediately after their fight together. ‘Join me.’ Tense silence. No more Rey until the next movie.
Two, have some shellshocked nobody find the crystal fox things and save the good guys. She doesn’t need lines. She doesn’t need a name. The Force is in all living things. Anyone can be a hero.
Three, don’t hand the finale back to JJ fucking Abrams.
rise of skywalker fucked up everything. they tried to appease the fans and it failed big time
It’s a plot faucet. From an old discussion elsewhere:
I heavily disagree, that movie disrespected the entire cast if you ask me. There was not a single story thread in TLJ that I found to be even slightly well thought out. Plenty of good ideas but the executions were horribly botched.
I cannot say anything abput Rise of Skywalker since I haven’t watched it but I don’t think tjat matters for the following. Imo TLJ was not the best movie out of the three, if we look at them in isolation, I could maybe see that being the case. But it isn’t a movie in isolation. It’s a sequel to a movie that already ate up most of the goodwill around. At least personally I was willing to cut TFA a lot of slack since it was the first movie in a good while for the Star Wars Universe. I was not willing to do so for TLJ sonce it was the second movie and they really should have had some idea of what the plan was by then. TFA probably screws over the trilogy harder than TLJ with its plot but TLJ doesn’t get the “Has to restart movie franchise” card that TFA got.