I didn’t come to a new service just to see it get taken over by the corporate beasts who ruined the internet in general, and I am sure as hell am not going to use an instance that doesn’t care about its users.
I think the admin of this instance might have been paid off to federate with Threads, it being one of the most popular.
So, I am giving y’all 24 hours to defederate and if the Lemmy.world admins don’t, I’m-a bounce and close down my subs behind me
That is all
Feel free to do so and run your own server. Blackmailing is childish and non productive by the way. I’m sure most instances will defederate from threads over time but they are looking to federate with mastadon instances more than lemmy/kbin.
Anyway thanks for participating and best of luck.
I support op. We must have zero contact or involvement with anything connected to zucc, musk or evil greedy shits. Ban threads forever.
The entire point of the fediverse is that there is no “we”. Or rather, you can decide which “we” you want to engage with. Look at behaw. When world started exploding with growth, the beehaw instance defederated because they wanted to preserve a smaller community.
I will never sign up for Threads or any other Meta service. However, if the fediverse allows me to interact with my friends and colleagues who have without having to give up all my data to do so, that’s a win in my book.
So feel free to go start or join an instance that defederates from Threads. Just stop expecting everyone else to do so.
You don’t give much thought to what Threads wants to do to the fediverse, and your concern is only what benefits yourself in the short term.
Just be aware of that. Many of us older folks have seen this process happen over and over. Threads will start to dictate what activitypub will be, and once it has many millions of users, it gives them power to influence the entire protocol.
And if people don’t like that, they will have to come up with a new protocol and start over again. Which is exactly the cycle we are constantly experiencing.
I think we should not let them into our instances. Keep them as a corporate funded version of the fediverse, separate from the ones run by individuals.
But since each instance owner is free to do what they want, I estimate that many will federate with threads and suffer the consequences in the future.
I applaud your efforts for speaking your mind and letting people know of a perceived threat. I’m not sure you’re really asking for a rational discussion on this topic, so I’ll keep this short.
If your ideals do not align with the host you are on, I suggest you look around and fine one that does and/or start your own server.
Wait why the hell is lemmy.world federated with Meta anyways? That seems… stupid?
Nobody is federated with Meta because Threads doesn’t even support ActivityPub yet. People are getting on their soapboxes and high horses when literally nothing has even happened that would merit this level of histrionics.
Some people need to seriously chill the fuck out.
I think people are justified in having strong emotions on this topic. A good amount of us just came from Reddit, only to waltz right into what feels like another corporate power play. You install smoke detectors before you have a house fire, not during it.
Many of us have been burned by Meta and purposefully choose these more obscure communities, like Lemmy, to stay far away from them. Meta, after all, has waged a worldwide assault on democracy. Meta has aided literal genocide in at least one country. Meta has run undisclosed psychological experiments to see if it could alter the mood of its users and make them depressed, without regard for if children were among the swath of people.
A lot of people are old enough to remember similar takeovers of standards and open protocols, which is why XMPP comes up so often in these discussions. All it takes is one big player with God-levels of money in order to usurp a standard. Google’s done it twice now, for instance. First with XMPP and again with RCS.
Meta deserves zero benefit of doubt. They’ve always been a bad actor and parasite. I don’t buy the conspiracy theory that admins are being paid by Meta. That does seem hysterical.
The most likely reason I’ve heard for Threads embracing ActivityPub (eventually) is to circumvent EU regulations. In which case we shouldn’t be fine with being a pawn and should resist aiding an objectively harmful company from avoiding due regulation.
I understand why people have strong opinions on the matter. That’s fine.
However, issuing threats and ultimatums to Lemmy instance admins when 1) nothing has even happened yet, 2) we don’t know what federation with Meta would even look like, or 3) if/when it will even happen, is pure foolishness.
I’ll say it again…
Threads is a MASTODON-type app. Not Lemmy… Mastodon!
I truly don’t understand people in the Lemmy-sphere getting their panties in a bunch over this.
This is true - the bigger impact would be on Kbin instances that are both Threadiverse and Microblogverse facing.
However, if you go on Mastodon you can see Lemmy threads as posts which you can click through to the hosting instance and also boost (but not downvote). So for Lemmy if Threads.net federates, the biggest impact would be exposure of content to Threads users who then come in to Lemmy instances but not logged in or who could boost content and distort things.
For Kbin instances and also Mastodon it could mean being swamped with content from Threads.net.
Personally I do think overall the Kbin/Lemmy/Mastodon servers should probably not federate with Threads.net. The content appears to be poor and it could flood the fediverse with crap, when really it’s still small and needs to grow organically. Threads.net is at 70m users already and rising rapidly, while Mastodon is at 8m (1.6m active) and the Threadiverse is more like 130k across Kbin and Lemmy. Mastodon/Kbin/Lemmy need time to establish what it means to be an independent federated social media network. They can always federate with Threads.net in the future - rather than it being Meta’s choice, it should be the communities choice if and when they want to federate with a behemoth network.
@RxBrad
@corroded
As you can see here I can also comment from Mostodon, the most mastodon-like app ;-) . Likewise, threads can participate in threadiverse once they federate. That’s how federation works.
@pinkdrunkenelephantsBut it’s literally the one time you’ve done so. Because it’s probably a royal pain to make it happen.
I can technically eat soup with a fork. It won’t be easy… or pretty. Much like I can force Mastodon to happen here on Lemmy.
I’d much rather use a spoon/app that was intended for the purpose I’m using it for.
And it will still connect to Lemmy, since we all use the ActivityPub protocol?
What is your point, exactly?
Honestly, maybe the incompatible protocols should just be severed from each other.
It’s novel that Mastodon can technically talk to Lemmy. But why? It’s such a hassle to make it happen – and the results are so messy.
If you want Mastodon to happen on Lemmy, it just ends up being easier to post a URL to a Mastodon post than it is to try and use the “official” federated methods. Just like people could post a link to a tweet or Facebook post.
I thought the idea of Threads using ActivityPub was great and the exact sort of change that Fediverse fans would want? Most people aren’t going to use Lemmy, Mastodon, PixelFed, etc but will likely be on board with Threads. Being able to interact with more people without having to use sketchy services sounds like a win to me.
Nope Nope Nope.
I don’t agree with OP creating infighting within the fediverse, but I really do agree with his points on defederating.
Have you heard of the term “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”? It was Microsoft’s motto in the 90s to early 2000s of destroying free and open source competition.
The first step: “Embrace” meant to embrace the competition’s protocol. Things like the Open Document Format, or in this case ActivityPub. They would make a product that used that protocol, pretending like they were contributing to it.
The second step: “Extend” meant to extend the protocol. They would divert from the way the original protocol worked, and adding more features that would attract the users on the original platform to their one. They would do this in a way that the original platform wouldn’t be able to catch up and get feature parity with them, such as making their new protocol closed source.
The final step: “Extinguish” would be that when enough users migrated away from the competition’s original platform, they would basically have stolen all the users, profited off the volunteers that made the original product, and made a worse, closed source, non-free alternative.
I know it’s pretty fucked up, but this is an actual thing that happened, and it’s not just Microsoft. Google’s done it with XMPP, and Facebook is probably doing it with Threads this time around.
Here’s some more stuff to read about it if you are interested:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguishYour typical Threads user isn’t going to use Mastodon or Lemmy though and we won’t be using Threads so I can’t see either being extinguished.
That’s basing off the idea that Lemmy users are all tech nerds though. I know there’s a lot of us on the platform, but I also know that we have non tech savvy people on here, and frankly we need them for the content they can provide. We need diversity in ideas, knowledge, and skill to be a successful platform.
