What is your general attitude towards those who believe in religion whether they are jewish, Muslim, Christian etc etc.

Do you get on well with any religious friends and neighbours?

Have you ever thought of believing in a religion at some point?

If you do not like the faiths, why?

If you DO, also why? Does this come from your family? Maybe something went bad during your life?

I get that Lemmy might have the same stereotype in Reddit that there are loads of atheists, but there’s a good reason why despite criticism of religion, it is still here.

P.S. I am not religious or anti religious in any fashion, I am agnostic.

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    Super long wall of text? You’re kidding, right? ಠಿ⁠_⁠ಠ

    Look, I even put it in it’s own, separate paragraph

    As to your question, the track record of those three religions to convincingly explain anything they claim to, is complete and utter failure. Every time.

    So, to avoid any confusion before moving on, you didn’t even try to explain your reasoning for the criteria you set out. You didn’t offer any good evidence to justify those criteria, and you dodged replying by pretending it’s too difficult for you.

    This isn’t a good look for you or those who share your beliefs.

    And you’re really asking me to point out terrible things that have come about as a result of religion or been perpetuated through religious belief?

    Off the top of my head -

    Holy wars.
    Witch trials.
    Destruction of indigenous cultures.
    Widespread misogyny.
    Discrimination towards minorities.

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      So this was exactly the way I thought you would go so I didnt want to invest a lot of time. Those things you mentioned are not related to christianity, it christians doing things. If you actually understand the bible I would say 4/5 go directly against the bible and the last one is questionable.

      The main issue is that people apply the things that a person of a belief system does to that belief system. For example they will see a Rep or Dem commit a crime and say that the particular party is responsible, or for in your case christianity is responsible for what its people do.

      “But the people are the fruits of what the religion is!” No, they typically are a failing of following the tenants.

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        Nonsense. We are talking about things people do as a direct result of their beliefs, also known as outcomes. Bait and switching just makes you look even worse.

        And accusing nearly all Christians of not doing it right is disingenuous, elitist and pitifully sad.

        Perhaps instead of disgracing yourself further, you can tell us what these tenets are that so many go against?

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          “But the people are the fruits of what the religion is!” No, they typically are a failing of following the tenants.

          If you dont understand what I am saying then just ask, insulting is just childish.

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            I didn’t insult you, I pointed out your poor behaviour.

            And I did ask you, about several different things, the most recent being about the tenets you claim to follow.

            Why don’t you try again?

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              No, you are not related to me and I dont care if you try to scold me. I did nothing wrong or shameful and I dont need to explain anything to you. If you get offended by internet conversations then dont have them. If you dont understand what I am saying feel free to ask questions but I am not answering to you.

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                I’m not offended and I’m not scolding you.

                You need to realise that I’m merely highlighting your poor behaviour for others to see.

                Why so defensive? If you can’t justify your position then just say so, but pretending otherwise is just childish.

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                  You keep gaslighting me and I dont really care. My behavior was normal and you just seem to be over reacting about something. Just like you claiming I am being defensive, I am jsut telling your I am not going to explain myself to you, and I dont care if you are wanting to scold me, you dont have any power over me.

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                    Gaslighting? That suggests I’m inventing things just to make you look bad.
                    Unsurprisingly, that’s not true. Here’s you lying and generally being awful -

                    Those things you mentioned are not related to christianity, it christians doing things.

                    Not what I said. I’ll repeat -

                    We are talking about things people do as a direct result of their beliefs, also known as outcomes.

                    That’s about as related to Christianity as you can get, which means you misrepresented what I said. Also known as lying.

                    I would say 4/5 go directly against the bible and the last one is questionable.

                    Accusing people of doing it wrong is not a good way to make your point. It either discredits your own religion, or it belittles the beliefs of your fellow Christians while elevating your own.
                    Not a good look.

                    If you dont understand what I am saying then just ask, insulting is just childish.

                    Again, I did ask. More than once. Here’s an example -

                    Perhaps instead of disgracing yourself further, you can tell us what these tenets are that so many go against?

                    So again, accusing me of being childish to cover up that you’re lying.
                    Lovely.

                    No, you are not related to me and I dont care if you try to scold me. I did nothing wrong or shameful and I dont need to explain anything to you.

                    If you’re going to behave like a child and pretend you didn’t when called out on it, that doesn’t mean you didn’t or that I’m wrong. But it does make you a liar. Again.

                    If you get offended by internet conversations then dont have them.

                    Heh, you’re funny.

                    If you dont understand what I am saying

                    If anything you said was new or original, I would have asked about that. Not that you would answer me anyway.
                    But its all tired repetition of the same old guff we’ve heard a million times.

                    Oh well.