try using windows on a machine that old if you want to know the true meaning of slow. it will always be updating something meaningless like edge in the background on top of it.
Your Skylake laptop from 2015 boots faster than my Zen 4 desktop from 2022 (with a PCIe Gen 4 NVME SSD!)
This thing takes 25 seconds just to POST. The fucked up thing is that it used to be even worse, but has slowly been improving with BIOS updates. The good news is that once it’s up and running, this machine is ready to fuck. Programs open the second I click the icon and loading screens don’t exist in games anymore. But it’s still disappointing that AMD can’t figure out how to make their shit boot faster.
It’s called memory training. Disabling it will hurt either stability, performance, or both. I really wouldn’t bother. Just use sleep mode if time is of the essence. Don’t unplug your machine from the wall; if it remains powered a lot of systems will skip the training.
You can enable “Memory Context Restore” in the BIOS. There are also “DDR5 training options” you can mess with if you know what you’re doing.
But like I said to the other person, the best way to speed up POST times is to simply keep your BIOS up to date. That alone has sped up my PC way more than any setting you can change.
Yeah I already did that but it’s actually faster now to leave the memory training bypass shit off. (And like you said, bypassing memory training can lead to instability.) But when this motherboard first launched it actually did help speed up POST times.
I’m just glad that AMD is committed to working with motherboard manufacturers to keep the BIOS updates coming. This is my first AMD machine; I’m used to getting just one update over the course of my machine’s lifespan—if even that—with the various Intel rigs I’ve built over the years.
Edit I misread that, I thought you had a Zenbook not the AMD desktop lol 🙈
That’s actually insane because mine is also an Asus Zenbook. It’s the UX501 that I got at a liquidation sale, and I refuse to give this thing up because they really don’t make them like this anymore.
I’ll probably eventually move onto a Framework once this thing gives up the ghost, but I’m hoping for at least a few more years of use.
I love having it idle at 100% for 30 mins, fan at max, just to update some windows nonsense. Updating 500 packages on linux is done in 5 mins including the download.
Like how do you even manage to make the update process THAT bad if not on purpose? I am baffled by that.
It’s a thinkpad dual core i7 with an SSD. It only runs Debian now thankfully.
right? i literally can’t fathom it and i’m not even counting all the crap 3rd parties insist in adding as always running system services for some damn reason. linux was a godsend to switch to.
I still have my old laptop from college for whenever my PC is dead and I need a backup device. It’s from 2008 and still has an HDD. There’s Windows 7 installed and last time i booted it up the boot up time said 316 seconds. It’s ridiculous.
Have they fixed that 100% disk usage bug in Windows yet? Seems to disproportionately affect laptops with magnetic disk’s and just chokes the whole system making it unusable
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its not a bug, its a feature. its updates, telemetry and other stuff they want you to use like edge. you can see it for yourself on the task manager.
you can use some feature disabler apps to cut out a lot of this crap but theres only so much you can do on windows. updates are crazy heavy for what they are.
it is however a substantial improvement, they undo the mods on update and you will have to play little a cat and mouse game to keep it good.
windows can be improved but linux is the permanent solution for weaker hardware if you can use it.
ZRAM is also not about RAM management. I am talking about the oomd
If on Windows a process is using extremely much resources, mostly you still can open a GUI task manager amd kill it. On KDE if this happens, I am lucky if I can exit to a TTY
on linux? nah.
try using windows on a machine that old if you want to know the true meaning of slow. it will always be updating something meaningless like edge in the background on top of it.
Me, who still daily drives an Intel Skylake laptop from 2015: 🤡
The boot time isn’t actually that bad, it’s like 6 seconds with Win10 and an SSD.
Your Skylake laptop from 2015 boots faster than my Zen 4 desktop from 2022 (with a PCIe Gen 4 NVME SSD!)
This thing takes 25 seconds just to POST. The fucked up thing is that it used to be even worse, but has slowly been improving with BIOS updates. The good news is that once it’s up and running, this machine is ready to fuck. Programs open the second I click the icon and loading screens don’t exist in games anymore. But it’s still disappointing that AMD can’t figure out how to make their shit boot faster.
It’s an issue with ddr5 memory checks. You can disable the checks but you might get instability.
tell me more about this. where is this issue documented and how can i read more?
It’s called memory training. Disabling it will hurt either stability, performance, or both. I really wouldn’t bother. Just use sleep mode if time is of the essence. Don’t unplug your machine from the wall; if it remains powered a lot of systems will skip the training.
You can enable “Memory Context Restore” in the BIOS. There are also “DDR5 training options” you can mess with if you know what you’re doing.
But like I said to the other person, the best way to speed up POST times is to simply keep your BIOS up to date. That alone has sped up my PC way more than any setting you can change.
thanks for the tip, i have it updated but it still takes a good 20 seconds to post still.
annoying when your ssd can theoretically read everything it needs to boot in less than a second
ill try reading up on how this training works.
Yeah I already did that but it’s actually faster now to leave the memory training bypass shit off. (And like you said, bypassing memory training can lead to instability.) But when this motherboard first launched it actually did help speed up POST times.
I’m just glad that AMD is committed to working with motherboard manufacturers to keep the BIOS updates coming. This is my first AMD machine; I’m used to getting just one update over the course of my machine’s lifespan—if even that—with the various Intel rigs I’ve built over the years.
Edit I misread that, I thought you had a Zenbook not the AMD desktop lol 🙈
That’s actually insane because mine is also an Asus Zenbook. It’s the UX501 that I got at a liquidation sale, and I refuse to give this thing up because they really don’t make them like this anymore.
I’ll probably eventually move onto a Framework once this thing gives up the ghost, but I’m hoping for at least a few more years of use.
skylake with an ssd is not that bad tbh
Skylake + SSD here, fine for office usage even on Win10
I love having it idle at 100% for 30 mins, fan at max, just to update some windows nonsense. Updating 500 packages on linux is done in 5 mins including the download. Like how do you even manage to make the update process THAT bad if not on purpose? I am baffled by that. It’s a thinkpad dual core i7 with an SSD. It only runs Debian now thankfully.
right? i literally can’t fathom it and i’m not even counting all the crap 3rd parties insist in adding as always running system services for some damn reason. linux was a godsend to switch to.
I still have my old laptop from college for whenever my PC is dead and I need a backup device. It’s from 2008 and still has an HDD. There’s Windows 7 installed and last time i booted it up the boot up time said 316 seconds. It’s ridiculous.
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My Commodore 64 boots up in like 4 seconds.
That’s so cool. What OS do those things even run?
SarcOS.
I can’t find anything about that online. Was that a joke? Cause I went and looked up the C64 as well and it doesn’t mention a “SarcOS”
I’d wager SarcOS was them giving a sarcastic response.
C64 ran “Cassette OS” or really just KERNAL
Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification.
Have they fixed that 100% disk usage bug in Windows yet? Seems to disproportionately affect laptops with magnetic disk’s and just chokes the whole system making it unusable
Is that what the fuck I’ve been experiencing?
Jesus Christ this is it I’m finding a damn DVD and getting Linux.
I’m throwing the damn SSD away and getting a new one to install Gentoo on
Are you an experienced Linux user?
Not as much as some others. I work with Linux at my job and use it at home, take that like you will
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not technically a bug, its updates and other stuff thats still notoriously heavy on windows. you can usually see what it is on the task manager.
its not a bug, its a feature. its updates, telemetry and other stuff they want you to use like edge. you can see it for yourself on the task manager.
you can use some feature disabler apps to cut out a lot of this crap but theres only so much you can do on windows. updates are crazy heavy for what they are.
it is however a substantial improvement, they undo the mods on update and you will have to play little a cat and mouse game to keep it good.
windows can be improved but linux is the permanent solution for weaker hardware if you can use it.
Yes but their RAM management (even though the desktop may use too much by default) seems way better.
On windows? WHAT? You drunk? Linux has zram. This is where the discussion ends immediately.
ZRAM is also not about RAM management. I am talking about the oomd
If on Windows a process is using extremely much resources, mostly you still can open a GUI task manager amd kill it. On KDE if this happens, I am lucky if I can exit to a TTY