It seems to me that Republicans and the Christian Nationalists they are in bed with are going to be immovably pro-Israel. How do we prevent our government from participating in this genocide as these new politicians take power?

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      That wouldn’t have helped this situation EDIT: I voted Harris, but if you think she would have changed course away from pro genocide once elected you are insane. She has been second in command of the genocide for a year. She made very clear statements of total support for Israel. She was confronted by the left to change course and she told them to go fuck themselves.

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        Do you really think that Kamala Harris and Donald Trump would be equally bad on this issue? Why?

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          You can’t get worse than the Biden Harris stance. And there is no way Donald Trump is going to be better. So yeah equally bad.

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            Why don’t you save this comment and revisit it in a year.

            This is so fucking naive and ahistoric. Read a fucking book.

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              I’ve been reading books about the region for about 20 years. Where have you been? There is no difference between the parties when it comes to that conflict. They have other differences but not about Israel Palestine. Israel is the major Middle East foothold for American empire and policy has been consistent there for 50 years. Biden/Harris are currently committing genocide there, escalating the terror there to the worst levels in the history of the conflict. It does not get worse than genocide, nothing republicans can do is worse than genocide, there are hundreds of thousands dead. Fuck Harris, Biden, and Trump for this. Don’t come to a thread about what to do about ending the genocide and defend a comment that says voting for Harris (SECOND IN COMMAND OF SAID GENOCIDE) would have stopped it.

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      Israel’s extermination campaign is already underway with full support from the Democrats. Harris wouldn’t have saved the Palestinians.

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        Kid, you should try reading things by actual, paid journalists, who aren’t just contributors to free online “news” sources.

        Or good books.

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          I’m not a kid and I’m not wrong in saying the genocide is currently underway with full support of the Biden administration and the overall Democratic party.

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            Both claims are debatable.

            Do you think things won’t get worse under trump? Or do you think some 50,000 dead a year is the worst Israel can do?

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              The claim that Isrsel is currently performing a genocide on the Palestinians is not debatable. They have cut off the entirety of Northern Gaza and started executing everyone they see on site. They besieged the only remaining hospital there several times and imprisoned all but a couple of the staff. They are deliberately trying to starve the population and even went so far as banning the UNRWA, which is the only agency capable of keeping the Palestinians alive. And do you think that once they finish there they’ll stop? They will continue with the rest of Gaza once they are done. They’ve even started attacking and demolishing homes in the West Bank as well. And they’re trying to invade Lebanon as well like they have tried to in the past.

              Saying things will get worse under Trump is pointless. The genocide is underway, and it’s been blessed by the Biden administration as well as the Democratic party. Harris has made it clear she doesn’t plan on deviating from this course. So I stand by previous statement, Harris would not have saved them. Either one as president, the Palestinians die.

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                That’s a wildly privileged set of statements. Declaring that a bad thing id happening and it doesn’t matter if it gets worse, goddamn kid.

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                  It’s privilege to say “Trust me it can get worse even as an extermination campaign is underway and other countries are being invaded”.

                  The escalations that are coming in the next few months would have happened with Harris as well. Both political parties have made it abundantly clear that Israel can do whatever it wants. There are no red lines for them.

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                    It’s not even privilege, just wildly ignorant or childish to see something horrible and decide “yup, can’t get worse than that!”

                    If you literally don’t understand that trump and Harris will have very different red lines, you don’t know enough to talk about this.

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          You should read a few good books as well. Might I suggest:

          On Palestine by Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, and Frank Barat

          The Message by Ta-Nehisi Coates

          A Dying Colonialism by Frantz Fanon

          Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman

          Actual journalists like Mehdi Hasan at Zeteo and Amy Goodman at Democracy Now! are doing excellent work on this issue.

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          Don’t tell other people to read anything when it’s perfectly clear you don’t know what the fuck you are gibbering about.