So far I really like it, anyone else using it? I’m really considering setting up the discord bridge and just using revolt
It’s not decentralized and e2ee is not implemented.
Sometimes a public utility doesn’t need to be decentralized to function effectively
then let me introduce you to IRC
It helps, but also the lack of e2ee is a pretty hard sell…
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Matrix only partially has e2ee and its e2ee is time based and breaks under high latency
Then Mastodon are not for you either. Nothing is stored encrypted there.
Mastodon is not a real time chat
Nope, it’s not. But Revolt and Mastodon share the same gimmic: no encryption. Why (as far as I know)? You can install these 2 on your own server, making you own your data and also handling the data. E2EE will not be important in that case (according to me). However, encryption (not E2EE) are important in any service.
Revolt and Mastodon aren’t even in the same ball park.
Honestly it’s just going from one bad app host (discord) to another that could be less bad but still has all your data (revolt). You can host your own revolt server but you won’t be able to join any of revolts servers. Matrix is just plain better for privacy and security. I do like to see more alternatives out there tho
The problem with matrix is that the standard isn’t standardized. Its constantly changing and the matrix server software is buggy
edit: just to be clear I’m not saying revolt is better
XMPP it is, then.
If you like living in the 90’s
That’s like saying you can use email if you like living in the 70s-80s. XMPP is a pretty healthy and active project that is standardized like email and ActivityPub. I would consider XMPP pretty modern, especially considering its features, extensions, etc., as well as the numerous applications it is integrated in.
XMPP is also used in very popular games, consoles, and clients.
I recently tried to register in XMPP. I found a site on the Internet with a list of servers and it took me more than an 30minets to register.
You may ask why it took so long? The fact is that registration was closed on some sites. Some sites did not open through the browser.
I managed to register on some servers, but messages to these addresses were not delivered (messages sent from these addresses also did not reach the recipient).
Quick registration through the Conversations and Blabber applications also produced errors.
(One of the problematic servers is og.im)
In general, if you want to quickly register and start chatting with a friend without any problems, this may not work.
I think one recommended server added by default to the application by the developer could solve this problem. (For example, like in Matrix, where you are asked to register with matrix.org)
Have you tried one of these providers? https://providers.xmpp.net/
I didn’t have an issue with registration on macaw.me or monocles.de, but I haven’t used those accounts yet.
I just want the ability to send images, files and emojis. Last time I checked it couldn’t do that.
I will be honest, I haven’t came around to using XMPP myself yet, but I am pretty sure you are able to do all of those things, at least with the help of extensions. Here’s the XMPP standards that are currently stable or experimental:
Files/Images:
- XEP-0363: HTTP File Upload [Stable]
- XEP-0446: File metadata element [Experimental]
- XEP-0447: Stateless file sharing [Experimental]
- XEP-0448: Encryption for stateless file sharing [Experimental]
Emojis/Stickers:
- XEP-0444: Message Reactions [Experimental]
- XEP-0449: Stickers [Experimental]
Looking at clients, I see various ones that have at least some of the features you are looking for (especially file and image sharing, I haven’t found a client that has explicitly implemented the stickers specification yet, but Movim seems to have them):
I would give it some more time. It seems those features are in development, but this is essentially an alternative to Matrix that is more standardized. It’s a widely adopted and integrated protocol, so I don’t doubt the features you are looking for will become more fleshed out some day.
What communities are there on Revolt? Anything big? Like GrapheneOS, Linux Mint, Signal, Monero?
I know that Matrix has their communities.
Revolt and Matrix are rather similar. Personally, I would recommend Matrix because it has the slight edge of offering room message content encryption, should you choose to use it. If you don’t… At that point, it’s kind of a toss-up, honestly.
Advantages of Revolt:
- Situated themselves to roll out features more rapidly
- Closer interface to Discord
- If you delete a message on their server, your deletion journey is done
Advantages of Matrix:
- You can encrypt the content of the messages in rooms
- They don’t have to be situated on a single server; in fact, they can be shared among many servers
- Data is not relegated to a single server, and can persist even if that server shuts itself down or is shut down
Most important to me: Which of them is easier to self-host?
I’ve been running a Mumble server for my friends for over a decade now and I’d like… something more without having to get too technical. Mumble is literally just a single apt-get and you’re basically done, so that’s about the level of technical expertise that I bring to the table. I’ve tentatively looked into other solutions over the years but I always feel my attention drifting when the setup-tutorial covers multiple pages and starts with manually configuring some database or certificate authority or whatever. Sorry, I didn’t mean for this to get too ranty.
How can I search for Revolt communities?
there probably is a list on the revolt discord 😵💫
Revolut is a different thing
I’ve heard they like to ban people for disagreeing with them or being christian. So no, I’ll just stay away.
Also it seems pretty centralized so there is no reason they couldn’t start do something questionable
Really? That sounds fucked up but I don’t trust hearsay so easily.
Why not Element/Matrix?
Nah I think I prefer Matrix. The Revolt servers have that same unproductive samesy flair as discord.
Femboy server uwu cutesy safe (but slightly horny) space. Trans programmer server yay!!It’s all junk. Matrix has less, but the servers I’m in are trying to do something new. They’re trying to fight the patterns and habits and create something more mindful, safe, and engaging.
Sounds like these are the only servers you’ve joined
Hmm? I just scrolled through 100 of the top Revolt servers.
I just counted them, assuming you mean the first 100 servers featured in the discover tab. I counted only 6 like what you were talking about, 3 that use it while talking about inclusivity, 5 about anime / japanese games (you should know what I mean), and 1 that associates it with Linux so I don’t know if it’s joking or not.
